CBS - Sportsline Pro Bowl picks

[mooby]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9096739

they have several redskins on there, including mark brunell, santana moss, and jon jansen. They mention Chris Cooley as a runner up at the tight end position, as well as Clinton Portis at the running back position.

[BigSKINBauer]

yeah i saw that and that and it made me mad as we don't have COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEY in there and no defense players. Cooley is listed as FB in the voting so atleast they could stay consistant


Also whats this about Janson getting in, i like that but no RANDY!!!

WHAT ABOUT MY BOY WASHINGTON??

[onlydarksets]

Brunell as a reserve? That's a bit surprising. Although, it isn't exactly a ringing endorsement:

This is really a down year for NFC quarterbacks, so Hasselbeck takes the start almost by default. The reserves? Somebody has to go.

And how does Dunn get the nod over CP? Fine - 80 more yards, but only 3 TDs. Plus, Dunn isn't nearly as good without the ball as CP is (IMO).

[wolfeskins]

those nfc picks suck. they have too many seattle players and whats the freakin deal with there not being any redskins for defense, they didn't even list any as backups. and dunn edging out portis, no no no

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.

I imagine a lot of his TD opportunities are negated by the fact that Duckett gets the ball more in the red zone. Often times we talk about someone being such a great player that we tend to minimize what they do off the field (charity work, etc.), with Dunn it seems like it's more about what a great person he is and what he's had to overcome that his abilities on the field tend to get overlooked.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.

does portis shy away from defenders? does portis get running lanes because people fear brunell taking off? your points seem to point out why dunn shouldn't get the nod instead...

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I really, really, really like Portis. However, I think it's pretty hard to deny Dunn a spot in the Pro Bowl. While Dunn doesn't score a lot of touchdowns and he gets nice lanes because defenses are scared of letting Vick run outside of the tackles, he is one damn explosive player. Moreover, Dunn plays like he's a lot bigger than he really is; he's about the same size as Santana Moss but he doesn't shy away from defenders.

So, Dunn gets nice lanes and doesn't score lots of TDs. Sounds like an argument for CP!

Fact is, Duckett gets the TDs because Dunn is undersized. Don't get me wrong - I like Dunn. He is explosive, but he just doesn't do as much at the position (again, especially on pass plays) as CP does.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

So, Dunn gets nice lanes and doesn't score lots of TDs. Sounds like an argument for CP!

Fact is, Duckett gets the TDs because Dunn is undersized. Don't get me wrong - I like Dunn. He is explosive, but he just doesn't do as much at the position (again, especially on pass plays) as CP does.

I wasn't denying that Portis is a Pro Bowl-caliber player. I've said repeatedly that he's a great back. I've repeatedly said that he's NOT overrated. I didn't intend for my praise of Dunn to be interpreted as an attack on Portis.

And yes, I did point out that Dunn doesn't get into the endzone a lot and gets nice lanes. If I didn't acknowledge those things I'd be cherry-picking the evidence. I like to think that I acknowledge both the good and bad things about a player, team, coach, etc.

Also, Duckett does get the ball in short-yardage situations because Dunn is undersized. However, that he is able to hold up to the punishment that he endures while being as small as he is is something he should get credit for.

But, the bottom line is that there is no denying that Dunn is a great player. He's racked up 1,247 yards on 242 carries for a 5.2 ypc average and another 200 yards in the air. He's also racked up 10 runs of 20 yards or more. Point blank, the guy is a baller.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I wasn't denying that Portis is a Pro Bowl-caliber player. I've said repeatedly that he's a great back. I've repeatedly said that he's NOT overrated. I didn't intend for my praise of Dunn to be interpreted as an attack on Portis.

And yes, I did point out that Dunn doesn't get into the endzone a lot and gets nice lanes. If I didn't acknowledge those things I'd be cherry-picking the evidence. I like to think that I acknowledge both the good and bad things about a player, team, coach, etc.

Also, Duckett does get the ball in short-yardage situations because Dunn is undersized. However, that he is able to hold up to the punishment that he endures while being as small as he is is something he should get credit for.

But, the bottom line is that there is no denying that Dunn is a great player. He's racked up 1,247 yards on 242 carries for a 5.2 ypc average and another 200 yards in the air. He's also racked up 10 runs of 20 yards or more. Point blank, the guy is a baller.

I tried to be careful in my post to focus on the issue - which of two great players with almost identical stats should get the nod. We both know CP and Dunn are great players. I didn't suggest you thought CP sucked, and I said Dunn is a great player (not too clearly, admittedly). This season their numbers are basically identical, except for TDs.

At this point, our analysis differs. I think CP's intangibles (namely blocking and getting open for the screen pass) outweigh Dunn's. Added to the fact he has more TDs than Dunn, I think you have to give him the nod. I appreciate that Dunn does a lot with what he has, but so does Earl Boykins. It doesn't mean he should beat out a Steve Nash for an All Star spot just because he does.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Here's who I should go to the Pro Bowl to represent the NFC:


QB Hasselbeck, Manning, Brunell
FB Cooley
RB Alexander, Barber, Portis/Dunn
WR Smith, Boldin, Moss, Galloway
TE Crumpler, Shockey
OT Jones, Pace, Samuels
OG Hutchinson, Thomas, Allen
C Kreutz, Bentley

DT Coleman, Griffin, Rogers
DE Strahan, Umenyiora, Peppers
OLB Washington, Dansby
ILB Urlacher, Pierce
CB Barber, Hall, Springs
FS Dawkins
SS Wilson

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Here's who I should go to the Pro Bowl to represent the NFC:


QB Hasselbeck, Manning, Brunell
FB Cooley
RB Alexander, Barber, Portis/Dunn
WR Smith, Boldin, Moss, Galloway
TE Crumpler, Shockey
OT Jones, Pace, Samuels
OG Hutchinson, Thomas, Allen
C Kreutz, Bentley

DT Coleman, Griffin, Rogers
DE Strahan, Umenyiora, Peppers
OLB Washington, Dansby
ILB Urlacher, Pierce
CB Barber, Hall, Springs
FS Dawkins
SS Wilson

cooley really isn't a FB, so while he'll probably get in as one, mack strong is the best real nfc FB. griffin missed a lot of time, so his numbers aren't great, and while he has the talent and should have gone last year, this year his production (due to missed games) has come up short... I think the same thing happened to peppers this year too. The pro bowl is about this years production, not natural althletic talent.

Springs has been good, but unfortunately not very flashy (low int count, not 108yard FG returns for TDs etc), and i don't think brunell should go, just cause he's slumped off so horribly after such a good start.

[b_cadvantag]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Here's who I should go to the Pro Bowl to represent the NFC:


QB Hasselbeck, Manning, Brunell
FB Cooley
RB Alexander, Barber, Portis/Dunn
WR Smith, Boldin, Moss, Galloway
TE Crumpler, Shockey
OT Jones, Pace, Samuels
OG Hutchinson, Thomas, Allen
C Kreutz, Bentley

DT Coleman, Griffin, Rogers
DE Strahan, Umenyiora, Peppers
OLB Washington, Dansby
ILB Urlacher, Pierce
CB Barber, Hall, Springs
FS Dawkins
SS Wilson

Funny List!!


Are those the backups to the Cowboy Starters on the NFC Pro Bowl!!!:headbange

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by b_cadvantag

Funny List!!


Are those the backups to the Cowboy Starters on the NFC Pro Bowl!!!:headbange

Bledsoe, Allen, Witten, and Williams are candidates for reserve spots. Bledsoe might get the nod. Witten is a Pro Bowl-caliver player but likely gets beaten out by Shockey and Crumpler. Williams is overrated but might get in simply because he hits hard. But, there isn't a single Cowboys who deserves to be a starter at the Pro Bowl.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

Bledsoe, Allen, Witten, and Williams are candidates for reserve spots. Bledsoe might get the nod. Witten is a Pro Bowl-caliver player but likely gets beaten out by Shockey and Crumpler. Williams is overrated but might get in simply because he hits hard. But, there isn't a single Cowboys who deserves to be a starter at the Pro Bowl.

Well for one the article was written by Pete Prisco, who has been a wounded duck for years.

I don't even think he is close with most of those NFC picks. I most certainly endorse and believe Santana Moss should go to Honolulu, and Portis as well.

But Witten should not go, not even as a reserve. Due to the loss of Adams at LT and a rookie RT in Pettiti, Witten has been kept in the backfield to help block a lot this season and his numbers are way down. But the records show that when they are able to get Witten in the game, the Cowboys win.

I am sorry but I seriously doubt that Brunnel gets the nod to Honolulu over Bledsoe. Bledsoe won his 9th NFL Player of the week award last week, and he leads Brunnel in QB rating, total yardage, TDs, completion percentage and yards per attempt. He is also currently LEADING in the fan vote for the Pro Bowl. Bledsoe may not start, but I do think he makes the Pro Bowl roster.

For WR, Prisco used total yardage only as the decinding factor, he should'nt do that. I am really surprised not too see Plaxico Burress even on Prisco's list. If you read Priscos list for WR's, all 4 appear in order as they do in the NFC stats for total yardage. Smith, Moss, Fitzgerald and Galloway are at the top 4 of the list in that order. Funny that the list mirrors what Prisco says are the WR's for the NFC. Same order too.

Originally Posted by Pete Prisco

WR: Starters: Steve Smith, Carolina; Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona. Reserves: Santana Moss, Redskins; Joey Galloway, Bucs.

Prisco has no creativity what so ever, anybody can "copy and paste" names to an article.