Does Anyone Want To Compare Brunell To Manning Now????

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

peyton been to two championship games

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We have height issues at WR. We won't win jump balls down the field. Moss' strength is YAC, it's something we figured out after the Jets had 4 years to and couldn't. They tried to use his speed down the field, and could never find him. We throw screens and curls, set up the blocks and watch him run. It's really cool.

height issues don't matter when you split defenders. height matters a bit more at the goal line, but moss got 9 tds last year, some of which were deep strikes over the top. (harrison got 2 TDs on the goal line with mis-direction and speed, not height).

the jets had a qb without an arm and misused him.

we've thrown screens, it's all we seem to throw, the defenses have blown the f**k out of them 2 weeks in a row now. you've got to be more than just screen passes.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

brunell very sub par

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Huh? So Moss isn't a deep threat either? What is ARE, a possession receiver? Patten was a deep threat in New England. You also concede that Lloyd is a deep threat. So I have no clue how you can say that we don't have deep threats.



NO team eliminates turnovers, negative plays, penalties, or failed 3rd down conversions. Plus, when you are constantly throwing screen passes or check offs to guys in the flats, you end up becoming predictable.



So you don't like throwing the ball deep? I don't know of ANYONE (other than you), that thinks that you don't need a deep passing game to have a successful offense.



Although the penalties aren't on Brunell, some of the negative plays are. He checks down on about 80% of all passing plays. Defenses just sit by the line of scrimmage and wait to jump on Portis or the guy getting the screen pass. Net result=negative plays.



Drives aren't being sustained because you can't expect a team to be able to consistently sustain 16 play drives. They need to start airing it out a bit to get teams to respect our offense and back off the line of scrimmage.

Moss, and ARE are runners. They excel when you get them the ball quickly in the open field and let them run. The key is the open field part.

And my problem is not going deep. It's with low percentage passes that don't work that have no purpose but to "open up the run". Offensively, you are going to layer your passing attack. So it becomes a progressionary thing. You throw deep to the open man when its given to you. We do this. We only get about 1-2 chances a game, but we certainly do this. The reason you only get 1-2 chances isn't rocket science. It's only going to occur when those DBs are in zone, and don't get help, because the safeties are out of position trying to take away something shorter. It's why the shorter routes are so successful. You can throw them over and over, and the defense can't always afford to gamble to stop them. We have had great success throwing those routes this year and it should shock no one. Also, it may not be that apparent, but we don't throw screens and dumpoffs every play. That's why they are often there.

And yes, I've seen the defense jump on Portis for like a 2 yard gain on a Brunell check down. But from a philosophy standpoint, this is much better than a ball thrown away (which is why Brunell is a significantly better QB than someone like, say, Kerry Collins), because once the pass is complete, something fluky can happen, like a missed tackle or a facemask, which becomes a big gainer. If not, you take your 1-2 yards, and call a different play. That's why completion percentage is significant. You give your team a chance to gain yards.

And despite all this horrible non-vertical heathen playcalling, Mark Brunell STILL is averaging 7.11 yards/attempt on the season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

we've thrown screens, it's all we seem to throw, the defenses have blown the f**k out of them 2 weeks in a row now. you've got to be more than just screen passes.

We hit curls perhaps better than any other team in the league. I've seen Santana take off many a time after catching a curl.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Moss, and ARE are runners. They excel when you get them the ball quickly in the open field and let them run. The key is the open field part.

there's lots of open field above the safeties too.

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And my problem is not going deep. It's with low percentage passes that don't work that have no purpose but to "open up the run". Offensively, you are going to layer your passing attack. So it becomes a progressionary thing. You throw deep to the open man when its given to you. We do this. We only get about 1-2 chances a game, but we certainly do this. The reason you only get 1-2 chances isn't rocket science. It's only going to occur when those DBs are in zone, and don't get help, because the safeties are out of position trying to take away something shorter. It's why the shorter routes are so successful. You can throw them over and over, and the defense can't always afford to gamble to stop them. We have had great success throwing those routes this year and it should shock no one. Also, it may not be that apparent, but we don't throw screens and dumpoffs every play. That's why they are often there.

can't believe you think "opening up the run" is such a frivolous thing. how do you just toss that out there like its worthless. its what got us into the playoffs last season! and AGAIN, what do you keep calling "great success"? receptions made? what's it matter if they aren't turning into any points, and in Mark's case, even FIRST DOWNS??

GTripp, you are absolitely tripping if you think Santana, Lloyd and ARE were brought here just for curls and screens. i swear all you care about is Mark's QB rating.

[budw38]

Manning is trying to lose his head . Remember last year , you spear were saying Brunell was a top qb . You love him when we win , now you kick sand in his face ,,, LOL ! DAMN , wish we had kept those f-ing draft picks < 4 > that we traded for JC , and had picked up Brees ! NEXT YEAR BOYS AND GIRLS , NEXT YEAR ??

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We hit curls perhaps better than any other team in the league. I've seen Santana take off many a time after catching a curl.

in the last two weeks since no ones been afraid of us going deep? and how about that running game that's turn portis into worthlessness. yeah, those flat passes are really rocking out right now.