Jason Taylor to re-sign with the Dolphins

Originally Posted by GMScud

Well, it's official. Parcells bent us over.

Well one good thing came out of the trade. When we traded for Jason Taylor we lost 2nd (2009) and 6th round (2010) picks. The biggest reason we couldnt trade up and get Mark Sanchez was because the Redskins had no 2nd round pick. The Redskins not being able to move up and get Sanchez lucked out and were able to draft Brian Orakpo with the 13th overall pick.

We did lose the 2nd round pick but it comes down to one thing. Would you rather have Mark Sanchez or Brian Orakpo? Id rather have Orakpo hands down.

I actually think in a weird kinda way Parcells saved us.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Well one good thing came out of the trade. When we traded for Jason Taylor we lost 2nd (2009) and 6th round (2010) picks. The biggest reason we couldnt trade up and get Mark Sanchez was because the Redskins had no 2nd round pick. The Redskins not being able to move up and get Sanchez lucked out and were able to draft Brian Orakpo with the 13th overall pick.

We did lose the 2nd round pick but it comes down to one thing. Would you rather have Mark Sanchez or Brian Orakpo? Id rather have Orakpo hands down.

I actually think in a weird kinda way Parcells saved us.

Yeah weird how it worked out. Could be for the best in the long run. If that ends up being the case giving up that 2nd rounder could be a great move.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Yeah weird how it worked out. Could be for the best in the long run. If that ends up being the case giving up that 2nd rounder could be a great move.

Sure, it could be great because a positive result has a chance of falling in our lap, not because it was part of any sort of plan.

I'd love for us to look smart on purpose for a change.

(Please no one ring off a list of draft picks for me. I know. I'm talking about FA).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Sure, it could be great because a positive result has a chance of falling in our lap, not because it was part of any sort of plan.

I'd love for us to look smart on purpose for a change.

(Please no one ring off a list of draft picks for me. I know. I'm talking about FA).

So none of our FA's have been smart moves?

How about Fletcher for starters?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So none of our FA's have been smart moves?

How about Fletcher for starters?

Griffin, Springs, Washington, Sellers...

Not to mention smart moves we didn't make-Courtney Brown, Javon Walker, Bryant Johnson...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Griffin, Springs, Washington, Sellers...

Not to mention smart moves we didn't make-Courtney Brown, Javon Walker, Bryant Johnson...

There are definitely more positives than negatives when it comes to free agency, but the focus is always more intense on the negative moves.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

There are definitely more positives than negatives when it comes to free agency, but the focus is always more intense on the negative moves.

And it seems like when we make positive moves it's like we stumbled upon it or the move was so obvious anyone could have made it...but a move that backfires on us is never about bad luck, it's always poor management and planning.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So none of our FA's have been smart moves?

How about Fletcher for starters?

I was in a pissy mood last night. The Jason Taylor thing annoyed me, the Caps ruined my night, and I was tired from a really long day.

You and SS are right. More positives than negatives in FA for sure. Some of the negatives are just really, really awful. That's all I was thinking of I guess.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So none of our FA's have been smart moves?

How about Fletcher for starters?

They do hit on some but to be honest Fletcher was a Greg Williams move all the way. It's not like bringing in Fletch. was this brillant find. He wanted to play with his old defensive coordinator. Actually if they would've just paid Pierce then we wouldn't have the need to sign Fletcher in the first place.

I think the FO actually does a decent job of drafting guys. I just wish they'd do it more often and then reward the guys that deserve it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

They do hit on some but to be honest Fletcher was a Greg Williams move all the way. It's not like bringing in Fletch. was this brillant find. He wanted to play with his old defensive coordinator. Actually if they would've just paid Pierce then we wouldn't have the need to sign Fletcher in the first place.

I think the FO actually does a decent job of drafting guys. I just wish they'd do it more often and then reward the guys that deserve it.

Was Fletcher a good move or not? That's all it boils down to. If he didn't work out I doubt you would be so ho-hum about it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Was Fletcher a good move or not? That's all it boils down to. If he didn't work out I doubt you would be so ho-hum about it.

No question it was a good move. I'm not beyond giving credit when credit is due.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

Well one good thing came out of the trade. When we traded for Jason Taylor we lost 2nd (2009) and 6th round (2010) picks. The biggest reason we couldnt trade up and get Mark Sanchez was because the Redskins had no 2nd round pick. The Redskins not being able to move up and get Sanchez lucked out and were able to draft Brian Orakpo with the 13th overall pick.

We did lose the 2nd round pick but it comes down to one thing. Would you rather have Mark Sanchez or Brian Orakpo? Id rather have Orakpo hands down.

I actually think in a weird kinda way Parcells saved us.

Eh. Not so sure about all that. There are plenty of hypotheticals you can throw around. I'm not saying I want Sanchez. Not at all in fact. And I'm tired of other teams (Dolphins, Jets, Bears) saving us from ourselves.

You say we lucked out by getting Orakpo, but the guy has done exactly nothing thus far. We'll see how lucky we are (frankly I think he's going to be great if we don't eff around and try to make him a LB).

If Jason Taylor hadn't gotten hurt, he would have likely had double digit sacks for us, which could have opened the flood gates for Andre Carter as well. Given that, maybe we'd have won another game or two (considering how close some of our losses were). In which case we wouldn't be lamenting trading that 2nd round pick. Plus we may have made the playoffs, and then Danny most likely wouldn't be scrambling to trade Campbell. Also, as far as this year's draft goes, with or without Jason Taylor or our 2nd round pick, we'd still need DE/OLB.

My point is, you can "what if" this thing to death. Also, it's totally premature to call us "lucky" for landing Orakpo (especially since we're intent on changing his position. If we wanted a LB we should have drafted one).

Originally Posted by GMScud

Eh. Not so sure about all that. There are plenty of hypotheticals you can throw around. I'm not saying I want Sanchez. Not at all in fact. And I'm tired of other teams (Dolphins, Jets, Bears) saving us from ourselves.

I agree that I wish our front office would make better decisions. I dont think this team will until Snyder lets a real GM handle this team. I got to admit though I think the Phins in the long run will have saved us because we didnt have the 2nd rounder.

Originally Posted by GMScud

You say we lucked out by getting Orakpo, but the guy has done exactly nothing thus far. We'll see how lucky we are (frankly I think he's going to be great if we don't eff around and try to make him a LB).

I agree he hasnt done anything for us at this point. Im basing it off of how good I think Orakpo will be and how most fans in general believe we got a steal at 13.

Originally Posted by GMScud

If Jason Taylor hadn't gotten hurt, he would have likely had double digit sacks for us, which could have opened the flood gates for Andre Carter as well. Given that, maybe we'd have won another game or two (considering how close some of our losses were). In which case we wouldn't be lamenting trading that 2nd round pick. Plus we may have made the playoffs, and then Danny most likely wouldn't be scrambling to trade Campbell. Also, as far as this year's draft goes, with or without Jason Taylor or our 2nd round pick, we'd still need DE/OLB.

I liked the move to bring Taylor to DC and I believe if he didnt get hurt he would of had alot more games like he did week 16 vs the Eagles.

We would of needed a DE either way but if we didnt trade for Taylor we wouldnt of gotten one. We would of shipped our 1st, 2nd, and maybe more and leaped the Jets to get Sanchez.

Originally Posted by GMScud

My point is, you can "what if" this thing to death. Also, it's totally premature to call us "lucky" for landing Orakpo (especially since we're intent on changing his position. If we wanted a LB we should have drafted one).

I dont think im "what if" ing it to death per say. Im just bringing up something that imo is a fact knowing Snyder and from what Cerrato has said. If the Redskins didnt trade for Taylor we would of shipped the 2nd rd pick along with others to land Sanchez. The Skins not having that pick saved us from trading a boatload of picks for a overrated QB and we landed probably one of the top 5 players in the draft instead.

I agree it may be premature to be calling us lucky because he hasnt played a down for the Burgundy & Gold. I do have to say the reason im high on Orakpo and think we were lucky was because I honestly believed before the draft he was the best player in it. For the Skins to be able to finally get a guy who I think can rush the passer and perform at a high level is just mind blowing when you think about how long we have needed a defensive end who could get sacks year in and out.

If im wrong ill be eating crow for years on this board since my screen name is "Brian Orakpo" but I honestly believe he has HOF type potenial (I know that sounds crazy because hes a rookie but its my opinion) if he stays healthy. His combo of power and speed from the defensive end position has me so stoked for this season just to get a little taste of whats to come.

I dont like the Skins playing him at LB on 1st and 2nd down but at the worst its a 1 year deal. He will end up playing defensive end for the Skins for years.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

I agree that I wish our front office would make better decisions. I dont think this team will until Snyder lets a real GM handle this team. I got to admit though I think the Phins in the long run will have saved us because we didnt have the 2nd rounder.

I agree he hasnt done anything for us at this point. Im basing it off of how good I think Orakpo will be and how most fans in general believe we got a steal at 13.

I liked the move to bring Taylor to DC and I believe if he didnt get hurt he would of had alot more games like he did week 16 vs the Eagles.

We would of needed a DE either way but if we didnt trade for Taylor we wouldnt of gotten one. We would of shipped our 1st, 2nd, and maybe more and leaped the Jets to get Sanchez.

I dont think im "what if" ing it to death per say. Im just bringing up something that imo is a fact knowing Snyder and from what Cerrato has said. If the Redskins didnt trade for Taylor we would of shipped the 2nd rd pick along with others to land Sanchez. The Skins not having that pick saved us from trading a boatload of picks for a overrated QB and we landed probably one of the top 5 players in the draft instead.

I agree it may be premature to be calling us lucky because he hasnt played a down for the Burgundy & Gold. I do have to say the reason im high on Orakpo and think we were lucky was because I honestly believed before the draft he was the best player in it. For the Skins to be able to finally get a guy who I think can rush the passer and perform at a high level is just mind blowing when you think about how long we have needed a defensive end who could get sacks year in and out.

If im wrong ill be eating crow for years on this board since my screen name is "Brian Orakpo" but I honestly believe he has HOF type potenial (I know that sounds crazy because hes a rookie but its my opinion) if he stays healthy. His combo of power and speed from the defensive end position has me so stoked for this season just to get a little taste of whats to come.

I dont like the Skins playing him at LB on 1st and 2nd down but at the worst its a 1 year deal. He will end up playing defensive end for the Skins for years.

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying here. All I was saying is that you can argue hypotheticals for pretty much any situation. I mean, you can easily argue the Jet's would have trumped our offer to Cleveland even if we had that 2nd rounder. With Clemens, Ratliff, and Ainge, their QB situation is way worse than ours. Desperate in fact. Who's to say they wouldn't have shipped off the entire draft for Sanchez? They wanted him BAAAAD.

And IMO we'll look a lot more "lucky" for landing Rak if we make him an every down DE. If ain't broke don't fix it. The same reason Blache is planning on letting Big Al freelance at DT....

Originally Posted by GMScud

I agree with pretty much everything you're saying here. All I was saying is that you can argue hypotheticals for pretty much any situation. I mean, you can easily argue the Jet's would have trumped our offer to Cleveland even if we had that 2nd rounder. With Clemens, Ratliff, and Ainge, their QB situation is way worse than ours. Desperate in fact. Who's to say they wouldn't have shipped off the entire draft for Sanchez? They wanted him BAAAAD.

And IMO we'll look a lot more "lucky" for landing Rak if we make him an every down DE. If ain't broke don't fix it. The same reason Blache is planning on letting Big Al freelance at DT....

Yeah there is still a chance the Jets would of outbid us. I think we would of been able to get Sanchez if we had the 2nd because Snyder would of offered probably another 2nd in 2010 to go with the 1st/2nd in 2009. With Cerrato saying they tried to move up it just makes me believe since we didnt want to give up a 1st in 2010 than if we had the 2nd this year we could of outbid them.

I agree 100% about Orakpo. I understand the teams thinking on why they think its best for the team. I dont understand though why they would risk the development of there 1st round draft pick playing him at OLB. Hes a pure DE and the quicker he gets playing there on all 3 downs the quicker he will develop. Kinda like Mario Williams.