Sean Taylor Spitting Video (merged)

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MTK
01-11-2006, 10:08 AM
I couldn't care less about the fine, the fine means nothing to me. $17,000 to Sean Taylor is nothing, and if the NFL really thought the act was so heinous, they would have fined Taylor more, not less, than they fined Clinton Portis for wearing the wrong socks, for crying out loud.

And I realize that the NFL is a different world, a world where hitting is part of the game. The thing we really should be asking ourselves is why don't the refs throw a flag everytime someone throws a punch? A lot of the time, the refs just break up the action and don't throw flags. Why? Because they don't want to tip the competitive balance of a game. So why should spitting be treated any different? Why would you eject a player for spitting, thus influencing one team's ability to compete? What is the basis for this judgment? It's an emotional reaction, specifically the emotion of disgust. If you're letting emotions rule your judgments, you are by definition not being fair.

Fines aren't levied for punches because they are a more understandable element of the game than spitting. It's understood that players may lose their cool and throw a punch, but it's not acceptable to spit. It's a social norm in the NFL I guess.

Just curious, if the roles were reversed, if Pittman spit at Taylor, would you have the same exact opinion of the incident?? I'm sure you'll say yes for the sake of supporting your "unemotional views", but I'm inclined to think you wouldn't have the same view.

EternalEnigma21
01-11-2006, 10:08 AM
Schneed, I think you're right. In a playoff game, did a spitting incident actually merit the ejection even if there was retaliation? It was an emotional based judgement call. I mean they got the first on fourth and long... and they picked up 15 yards which is huge in a tight playoff game. Taylor also got jacked in the mouth. Then to eject him with nothing happening to pittman is not an objective and reasonable assessment of the situation no matter how you look at it.

If the situation was reversed I'd say, "hell spit on us all of the time if we can get away with murder after a guy spits, and get a hell of an advantage on the drive and throughout the game!:

onlydarksets
01-11-2006, 10:10 AM
Unbelievable. Guess what Matty, your personal beliefs regarding spitting vs punching are very inconsistent with UNITED STATES LAW. You punch someone, that's Assault & Battery. You spit on someone, that's Assault.

OK, actually, that's wrong. Spitting on someone is battery. Creating the reasonable apprehension in someone that you are going to spit on them is assault.

EternalEnigma21
01-11-2006, 10:12 AM
OK, actually, that's wrong. Spitting on someone is battery. Creating the reasonable apprehension in someone that you are going to spit on them is assault.

And here come the lefties :spank: LOL

cpayne5
01-11-2006, 10:13 AM
I can't believe people are still talking about this. I'm focused on one thing at this point, and that is the Seahawks. HTTR

MTK
01-11-2006, 10:13 AM
OK, actually, that's wrong. Spitting on someone is battery. Creating the reasonable apprehension in someone that you are going to spit on them is assault.

You are correct sir, nice call!


A battery is the willful or intentional touching of a person against that person’s will by another person, or by an object or substance put in motion by that other person. Please note that an offensive touching can constitute a battery even if it does not cause injury, and could not reasonably be expected to cause injury. A defendant who emphatically pokes the plaintiff in the chest with his index finger to emphasize a point may be culpable for battery (although the damages award that results may well be nominal). A defendant who spits on a plaintiff, even though there is little chance that the spitting will cause any injury other than to the plaintiff's dignity, has committed a battery.

http://www.expertlaw.com/library/personal_injury/assault_battery.html

onlydarksets
01-11-2006, 10:14 AM
And here come the lefties :spank: LOL

huh?

EternalEnigma21
01-11-2006, 10:19 AM
huh?


Sorry, I've just been on a big Bill O'Riley bashing kick lately, and everytime someone makes a valid point about anything different from his opinoins he calls them far lefties, and radicals and goes into a culture war tantrum. I guess the post was just for my benefit... I'll keep those type things to myself in the future.

firstdown
01-11-2006, 10:22 AM
The ref made the correct call and got it right when he said to the skins player. What would have you done if someone spit in your face? I do not remember who he said that to but they just turned away as if to say to the ref your right.

onlydarksets
01-11-2006, 10:23 AM
Sorry, I've just been on a big Bill O'Riley bashing kick lately, and everytime someone makes a valid point about anything different from his opinoins he calls them far lefties, and radicals and goes into a culture war tantrum. I guess the post was just for my benefit... I'll keep those type things to myself in the future.

ah - now it's funny!

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