Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

for a 6th rounder we might as well keep him.

There is nothing in this world that is going to keep PR in Washington. He's gone one way or another no matter what.

There is nothing in this world that is going to keep PR in Washington. He's gone one way or another no matter what.

never say never. everyone though he'd be gone when gibbs got brunell... everyone thought he'd be gone when campbell came in. gibbs said if he doesn't get value, he's going to keep him here.

never say never. everyone though he'd be gone when gibbs got brunell... everyone thought he'd be gone when campbell came in. gibbs said if he doesn't get value, he's going to keep him here.

I'm not sure Gibbs will get the choice. As far as I know PR is a free agent and he just wont sign any kind of a deal with the skins. PR does not want to be here and he'll go anywhere but here.

I'm not sure Gibbs will get the choice. As far as I know PR is a free agent and he just wont sign any kind of a deal with the skins. PR does not want to be here and he'll go anywhere but here.

He's not a FA, but he's in the final year of his contract. The team is already committed to Brunell and Campbell, though, and it would make no sense to keep Ramsey inactive as a #3.

As my Post No. 1 in this thread says. Ramsey can make a trade work for everyone if he's willing to sign an extension with his new team, perhaps one heavy on incentives for performance rather than salary and bonus.

I'm not sure Gibbs will get the choice. As far as I know PR is a free agent and he just wont sign any kind of a deal with the skins. PR does not want to be here and he'll go anywhere but here.

he's in the last year of his current deal, he has no say, its all at gibbs's descretion.

Well, if Salisbury and Clayton agree, I guess we can take that to the bank [forgive the sarcasm].

To answer your question...no...coaches don't tell a QB to take a seven-step drop and then plant. The QB might have four reads and he can't plant until he picks one. And, under pressure they bounce because it enables them to move quickly just as boxers stay on their toes before they plant to throw a punch.

One way for a QB to appear decisive is to cheat on his reads. Sliding quickly from your primary to your checkdown will do it. Tim Hassleback won a job with us by getting rid of the ball quickly, like a West Coast QB (I wonder who taught him that). There's no way in hell he was running through all his reads.

When Ramsey started, the ball was being distributed to different receivers. That's an indication that he was running through all his reads. Given our protection problems, it was probably a mistake on his part due to lack of experience.

Nice job with that huddle, I can see you understand the intracasies of the QB position. 1 big reason I have been a big Ramsey supporter is because he's shown the ability to get the job done when he does have reasonable protection, he has played behind some of the worse lines in the NFL during his tenure. Your point about cheating your reads are dead on, but I will elaborate, Brunell is the king of cheating on his reads, he has 1 primary and thats Moss, after that it's Cooley or out of bounds, and despite that no one seems to realize Brunell has happy feet to match anyone. through the years most of Gibbs QB's have had happy feet, problem? Gibbs ask's them to hold the ball longer than the average QB, in so doing the QB really has to have a strong trust in the O-line for him to be comfortable knowing the defense is closing in on him, it's a tough thing to ask a QB not to get happy feet under those type of circumastances, but when everything is clicking it's a beautiful offense to watch, and in order to make all that work a QB has to have experience and playing time with that offense and build a trust with the players in it, Patrick hasen't been given that opportunity.

No way I trade Patrick for a #3 or worse, he's to valuable as a backup. Further more we haven't proved we are capable of finding talent beyond the second round, judging from past history we might as well give him away because we will probably end up cutting whoever we draft with his pick if it's beyond the second round.

Sorry, I thought he was a FA.

I do think that PR will do whatever he needs to do to get out of DC. He knows he's going nowhere here and he has a silly notion that he can actually start in the NFL (I'm not sure he can even be a good backup) so he will have to do what he needs to do (contractually) to try to become a starter somewhere.

No way I trade Patrick for a #3 or worse, he's to valuable as a backup. Further more we haven't proved we are capable of finding talent beyond the second round, judging from past history we might as well give him away because we will probably end up cutting whoever we draft with his pick if it's beyond the second round.


running QBs tend to go 1,2, run, as people have brought up the "maybe its brunell" theory of limited WR production from time to time.

chris cooley was a 3rd rounder. the skins' 4th 5th and 7th are till on the team (though not productive in any way as of yet).

and irish, ramsey is 10-14, that's actually REALLY good for a backup. a lot of those wins came under spurrier who didn't really care about having talent on his teams.

for a 6th rounder we might as well keep him.

Why? wouldn't you rather get a pick that could possibly turn into some thing, or would you rather lose him outright and get absolutely nothing for a 1st rounder you took a few years ago. If we keep him, he is a free agent next year and leaves, then we get nada!! Get something, especially if you aren't going to use him.

running QBs tend to go 1,2, run, as people have brought up the "maybe its brunell" theory of limited WR production from time to time.

chris cooley was a 3rd rounder. the skins' 4th 5th and 7th are till on the team (though not productive in any way as of yet).

and irish, ramsey is 10-14, that's actually REALLY good for a backup. a lot of those wins came under spurrier who didn't really care about having talent on his teams.

Is that his record only as a backup or a overall? The number 1 job for a back up is to not lose games by making stupid mistakes (he does not need to win the game, just not lose it) and PR has a knack for making stupid mistakes (which is why Gibbs is done with him).