Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

Here's the scenario:

Ramsey is willing to sign a two or three year deal with team A but not with B. Don't you agree that his value to team A is higher and therefore they are in a better position to compensate the Redskins than team B?

ramsey would be a moron to sign a new deal with anyone because if he thinks he can start, whatever contract he'll get will be for peanuts and he'll lose his 1.6mill payday. If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is. The skins only care about what they'll get, not what ramsey wants or his new contract. Ramsey isn't Brady or Peyton, he has no power to name his conditions. He'd happily accept any good contract offer or be the rented mule in hopes of getting a much better deal in 2007...

speaking of which, signing a new deal when the NFL might go uncapped would also be a bad idea.

Well the Dolphins or Jets are the most commonly mentioned. Particularly if let's say one of them is able to draft Jay Cutler. The Saints would fall into that category (by the way, might as well add Aaron Brooks to the list of QBs that could be available this spring). And that might be where he'd like to be, since it's close to home. And if the Raiders do part ways with Kerry Collins, I'd be really surprised if they think the answer is Tuiasosopo.

Then there's the other extreme. He goes somewhere where he sits for one more year but takes over in 2007. If the Vikings part ways with Daunte, they'll have 38 year old Brad Johnson behind center, the Chiefs have 36 year old Trent Green. How many more years do those guys have?

I think you misunderstood the question.

I asked which teams might be interested in trading for Ramsey in the final year of his contract assuming he would not sign a new deal with them. I'm certain you don't think that all those teams would give up a draft pick or a useful player for Ramsey given those conditions.

I think you misunderstood the question.

I asked which teams might be interested in trading for Ramsey in the final year of his contract assuming he would not sign a new deal with them. I'm certain you don't think that all those teams would give up a draft pick or a useful player for Ramsey given those conditions.

I see. But why do you think he would be so choosy? He's still young and just wants a chance to play I believe. I don't think this is a case of him being someone at the end of his career and just waning to play in front of his home crowd, or wanting one last shot at a ring.

ramsey would be a moron to sign a new deal with anyone because if he thinks he can start, whatever contract he'll get will be for peanuts and he'll lose his 1.6mill payday. If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is.

You say "Ramsey would be a moron to sign a new contract with anyone..." and then "If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is." Didn't you just contradict yourself?

Anyway. The smart move for Patrick IMO would be to sign a two-year deal with a team that might best support him in establishing himself as a bona fide starting QB. The Skins would be well-served to trade with teams of Ramsey's choice because his willingness to sign a two or three year deal would enhance his current market value.

I see. But why do you think he would be so choosy? He's still young and just wants a chance to play I believe. I don't think this is a case of him being someone at the end of his career and just waning to play in front of his home crowd, or wanting one last shot at a ring.

Pride and Money.

Let's say he signs a three-year deal with the Jets. That works for the Skins but not for Ramsey. Given the Jets current state, we can predict that they will be bottom feeders for the next three years and that their losses would principally be blamed on the QB. What does that do for his pride and how much is he worth when that deal expires.

Pride and Money.

Let's say he signs a three-year deal with the Jets. That works for the Skins but not for Ramsey. Given the Jets current state, we can predict that they will be bottom feeders for the next three years and that their losses would principally be blamed on the QB. What does that do for his pride and how much is he worth when that deal expires.

So he would say "it looks like the team is going to lose and I'm going to get the blame", is that it? If that's the case, who would want him anyway? I think he'd be more likely to say "this is my chance to lead a team and help turn this team around"

Where would you think he'd be willing to play?

So he would say "it looks like the team is going to lose and I'm going to get the blame", is that it? If that's the case, who would want him anyway? I think he'd be more likely to say "this is my chance to lead a team and help turn this team around"

Where would you think he'd be willing to play?

If your son was a free agent NFL QB would you advise him to accept the challenge of turning around the Jets fortunes rather than playing somewhere where many of the pieces are already in place for a turnaround?

Because of the coaching changes, finding the right fit for Ramsey is beyond me now. I think he'd prosper in a scheme that uses a lot of spread formations but he probably has other ideas. I liked Miami for him, but their OC took a head coaching job with the Rams. Detroit might work.

You say "Ramsey would be a moron to sign a new contract with anyone..." and then "If any team is offering him a good contract he'll sign it regardless of where it is." Didn't you just contradict yourself?

Anyway. The smart move for Patrick IMO would be to sign a two-year deal with a team that might best support him in establishing himself as a bona fide starting QB. The Skins would be well-served to trade with teams of Ramsey's choice because his willingness to sign a two or three year deal would enhance his current market value.

no i said he would be stupid to sign a new contract, the second statement was in response to you saying he would sign with team a and not team b, in which case IF he did actually sign a contract (cause the money was good, which it won't be, hence the first statement) I don't he'd be choosy about who it was with since he's not a player every team wants.

If your son was a free agent NFL QB would you advise him to accept the challenge of turning around the Jets fortunes rather than playing somewhere where many of the pieces are already in place for a turnaround?

Because of the coaching changes, finding the right fit for Ramsey is beyond me now. I think he'd prosper in a scheme that uses a lot of spread formations but he probably has other ideas. I liked Miami for him, but their OC took a head coaching job with the Rams. Detroit might work.

most players under contract have no control, so giving advice wouldn't matter because the desicision isn't his to make.

ramsey would be best served in the rams offense (maybe the lions can dduplicate it, but i just don't think they have anywhere near the talent at wr #2, wr #3 or RB). At tulane he sat back and chucked deep and took a lot of sacks. he did the same thing with spurrier, and the rams do the same thing (only successfully) as well.

no i said he would be stupid to sign a new contract, the second statement was in response to you saying he would sign with team a and not team b, in which case IF he did actually sign a contract (cause the money was good, which it won't be, hence the first statement) I don't he'd be choosy about who it was with since he's not a player every team wants.

So, you're saying that since Ramsey is a washout, he ought to take what he can get and not be so choosy. And I'm saying that since Ramsey doesn't think he's a washout, he will be choosy and it would be a good idea for the Redskins to pursue a trade with teams of Patrick's choice because they might just agree that he isn't a washout and be willing to part with a nice draft choice for him if he signs a new deal.