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That Guy 02-27-2006, 05:58 PM You can tac on T.Barber, and E.James, I would add C.Dillion as well.
C.Martin, J.Lewis, P.Holmes, and D.Mcalister have been better up until this past season.
dillion had 700 rushing yards... you're talking crazy :P I agree on tiki though and possibly edge, that puts him at 5th-6th though.
Portis was 4th in the NFL in rushing last year, so based on that yes he is a top 5 back!
What more do we want from the guy??
Sean Taylor is God 02-27-2006, 06:41 PM Gibbs raves about his pass-blocking and physicality which are often overlooked. He is definitely top 5
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 02-27-2006, 07:18 PM You can tac on T.Barber, and E.James, I would add C.Dillion as well.
C.Martin, J.Lewis, P.Holmes, and D.Mcalister have been better up until this past season.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. With the exception of LT, I'd take Portis over any back in the league. Portis is young, a great blocker, a great receiver, a great teammate, and most of all, a great runner. Just about every other back is missing something that Portis has.
Larry Johnson is a close one, but his receiving and pass-blocking skills are sub-par. Johnson looks like a great runner, but I can't say he's better than Portis. Plus, Johnson is running behind the best offensive line in the league.
Dirtbag59 02-27-2006, 08:40 PM I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. With the exception of LT, I'd take Portis over any back in the league. Portis is young, a great blocker, a great receiver, a great teammate, and most of all, a great runner. Just about every other back is missing something that Portis has.
Larry Johnson is a close one, but his receiving and pass-blocking skills are sub-par. Johnson looks like a great runner, but I can't say he's better than Portis. Plus, Johnson is running behind the best offensive line in the league.
I agree. I don't think I've seen anyone play harder than Portis (execpt Butkis or LT and even then the only evidence I have of that is highlights). Everything can't be measured in yards. Remember in 2004 LT had a 3.9 ypc average and everyone (including myself) still thought he was the man. So just b/c Portis didn't average 4.5 ypc doesn't mean he doesn't deserve to be talked about as an elite runner (Top 5).
Another thing, I don't think people realized the fact that Clinton had to get used to having 20 extra pounds on his frame. Remember hes been playing since his days at Miami at about 190. The fact that he wasn't a dumb ass and said something like 'Oh man, I don't need to change my style. This is how I run and its worked then so why won't it work now?' Instead Gibbs and him met halfway. As a matter of fact it looked for a while like they were going to pass each other. Gibbs added more speed based plays and Portis tried to become a power runner. Just the fact that Portis was willing to sacrafice his style for the good of the team attest to what a great teammate he is.
offiss 02-28-2006, 12:52 AM dillion had 700 rushing yards... you're talking crazy :P I agree on tiki though and possibly edge, that puts him at 5th-6th though.
You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.
Dirtbag59 02-28-2006, 12:58 AM You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.
Yeah but Portis was worn down at the end of the year. Not a lot of backs could have taken the beating he sustained at the end of the year.
That Guy 02-28-2006, 05:55 AM You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.
dillon hit the wall like S davis this year. he's done. If you'd pick him up for a game over portis now, i think you'd have a much higher chance of losing.
YPC also depends a lot on scheme and line quality. dillon was terrible there as well (rocking a 3.5).
Paintrain 02-28-2006, 07:44 AM You can't alway's measure a back by his yards, if I needed a back for 1 game I would take Dillion over Portis, Dillion can make yards with very little blocking, and he will run players over without blinking an eye, I am not grading them on just last seasons stats, but what they are capable of when healthy under normal circumstances, besides yards per carry are more important to me than overall yardage.
Is there anyone on the Redskins offense that you actually like? You've been outspoken against Brunell, now ripping Portis, what's next, Moss would be better if he had 14 fingers so he wouldn't drop as many passes?
Portis carried this offense down the stretch last year and he was one of the main reasons we won 5 in a row to get to the playoffs. If you can't appreciate that you just can't appreciate a quality football player.
Offiss, you're right you can't always measure a back by his stats, but I don't think there's another back in this league that does as much as Portis does when he doesn't have the ball. He's one of the best backfield blockers I've ever seen. He always gives maximum effort and he's one of the toughest guys around, how many times did we see him limp out of a game last year only to return a few plays later?
He earned every penny of his salary last year and then some. A team record 1516 yards, 4th in the NFL in rushing, 9 games over 100 yards, 4.3 yards per carry, 11 touchdowns, 30 catches... I'm not sure what else you could want from him, but he's definitely a top back in this league who is still very underappreciated by some fans.
If you can't get on board with Clinton Portis, I really don't understand what you're watching. I know it stinks to have to suck it up once in a while and admit a Gibbs move panned out as planned despite what your thoughts on the matter might have been, but in this instance I think there's no denying Portis has proved to be a quality player for us.
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