Does Ramsey Have Some Trade Control?

I agree Daseal, I think the x-factor is going to be Saunders, I believe he will have a major say in who he believes is the best QB to run his offense, and right now it's Patrick, he has all the qualities that you need to be a pocket passer, Green flurished under Saunders in KC he is also very similar to Ramsey except 1, Ramseys arm is much more powerful, and 2, Ramsey is smarter, beyond that they are both tough and probably move about the same.

I don't believe that Brunell has the arm or the toughness to run Saunders offense, but I am also realistic in the fact that Gibbs is going to do his best to push for Brunell, at least early on, then it will be Campbell.

I feel all Ramsey needs is a legitamate shot early on and he will take the job, just don't know if he will be here to do it.

How do you conclude that Ramsey is smarter than Green?

How do you conclude that Ramsey is smarter than Green?


tafkas didnt u hear? the nfl jst took IQ tests to all players and posted them??!?!??!?! and theyre showing there SAT scoresss......

I think that Ramsey is an upgrade from Frerotte and Rosenfels and I would press the Dolphins for a #3 in negotiations. I think we can find someone willing to give up a 3 for Patrick. The contract stuff is for them to work out. If a team wants an extension as part of the deal then we move on to the next team.

I think Ramsey would be smart to sign a new deal with the Dolphins, say for three years, heavily weighted toward incentives. If he were willing to do that to make the trade work, I think the Dolphins would consider the three pick a bargain price.


It's interesting to me that hardcore fans who have (presumably) seen every snap Patrick has taken could arrive at such varying opinions of his ability. I see him as extremely average. A strong, accurate thrower, handicapped by his lack of mobility and poor decision making. Others see him as a superstar, who would dazzle us if it weren't for that biased Joe Gibbs, who cares more about proving he wasn't wrong on Brunell than he does about winning.

Well, there are many other positions in between those you mention. I don't have any doubt that Joe sees his Brunell-Ramsey decisions as being best for the team. It isn't an ego thing with him. But my not-so-humble opinion is that he's wrong.

I'm not a stats guy. Most individual statistics are worthless in my book. One exception I make is wins and losses. In 23 starts Ramsey was 10-13 (Chicago start last season not included). Over the same span, the team was 8-17 in games not started by Patrick.

I haven't seen a superstar performance, but Patrick was our best QB over a three year span and, although I'm resigned to his leaving, I think he might still be the best on our roster.

How do you conclude that Ramsey is smarter than Green?

I couldn't find Green's Wonderlic score, so we can't say for sure. But Ramsey (32) is smarter than Brunell (22).

Campbell took the test three times. His first score was (14)...bonehead. But then he scored 27 and 28. I don't know how that can happen...too much discrepancy in those scores.

I couldn't find Green's Wonderlic score, so we can't say for sure. But Ramsey (32) is smarter than Brunell (22).


How has that translated on the field?

How has that translated on the field?

Who knows?

Let's please not rehash the Brunell-Ramsey-Campbell-Other QB debate. We've done that so many times. Ramsey is leaving. Let's move on.

Let's please not rehash the Brunell-Ramsey-Campbell-Other QB debate. We've done that so many times. Ramsey is leaving. Let's move on.

Did you read the thread?

Did you read the thread?

Yes. Unfortunately however, the thread is moving away from discussion about the thread's original topic to who Ramsey is or is not smarter than (i.e. Brunell).

Yes. Unfortunately however, the thread is moving away from discussion about the thread's original topic to who Ramsey is or is not smarter than (i.e. Brunell).

Yeah I apologize for that. That was my fault for questioning how someone concluded that Ramsey is smarter than Trent Green. Mea culpa.