Gibbs

Indeed, this is a subject that we're beating to death. But to respond to the challenge of "can anyone say when [Gibbs] steps down we aren't light years ahead of where we were," I can't imagine I'm the only one who could very, very easily say that, if he were to step down today, we are NOT "light years" ahead of where we were. Again, we're going over and over this topic. But as that bastard Parcells proclaimed, you're as good as your record, and Gibbs overall record more than three and a half years into his second stint is below
.500, which makes him almost indistinguishable from the five coaches (Richie, Turner, Robiske, Marty, Spurrier) who preceded him (well, Marty actually had an even .500). As Boswell said in the Post last week, this team is mediocre. Period. If you're saying that Gibbs has laid a foundation for a powerhouse in the years to come, well, that's something I haven't heard too many NFL experts say. Sure, the so-called "experts" consistently show that they don't exactly have crystal balls, but I guess I'm just not as confident as you are that the current team is a youthful, soon-to-be dominator. Look, I'm not blaming anything on Coach Joe, I'm simply responding to your suggestion that he has radically turned the organization around. He hasn't.

I couldnt agree more. Any notion that this team is light years ahead of where it was is just not reality. I think until the organization fundamentally changes the way it does business (build the foundation through the draft and fill a spot or 2 with FAs) then it will continue to have mediocre results.

beating a dead horse here :

1) Portis for Bailey & Bell - springs can not be included in that, he signed as a FA.

2) the organization is in no better shape now than it was 4 years ago. To say that it is, well that is too much cool aid my friends. Who cares who we have on the Roster, we dont win. Isn't winning the defining term of what a regime does? Not having so called young studs. Who knows, maybe 3 or 4 years from now those young studs (if we are able to afford them!) may be probowl players. But as of today, we are no better than what we have been the past 10 years, not alone the past 4 years. We continually have to release this player, renegotiate with this player, sign a FA to a lesser contract to make up for this guy we had to cut, this is the same crap that has gone on for 10 years. If you guys think this current roster will be around for another 2 or 3 years, WRONG. Moss wont be here, Portis wont be here, Smoot, Marcus (he may be too old by then anyway) Randel El all those guys will be gone. I hope and pray we keep Taylor, Cooley, Campbell, Rogers, Landry , and Rocky. But, who knows.

Springs will be cut after this year, Marcus too (that is a feeling) Lloyd (no brainer) Daniels (another no brainer) Griffin will be gone.
i guess I am just saying we are no better now than we were before Gibbs 2.

Springs will be cut after this year, Marcus too (that is a feeling) Lloyd (no brainer) Daniels (another no brainer) Griffin will be gone.
i guess I am just saying we are no better now than we were before Gibbs 2.

I think Springs stays due to the Rogers injury, Griffin probably too stays. The rest will be gone.

I couldnt agree more. Any notion that this team is light years ahead of where it was is just not reality. I think until the organization fundamentally changes the way it does business (build the foundation through the draft and fill a spot or 2 with FAs) then it will continue to have mediocre results.

I think you're greatly underestimating/ignoring what we have done with the draft.

Aside from signing Archuleta, trading picks for Lloyd and Duckett, and allowing Pierce to leave for reasonable money, almost every other personnel move has had a positive impact.

My bigger problem has been with the coaching, more specifically the offensive coaching. When Gibbs returned, I just assumed that his offense would carry the team and that the defense would struggle. It has been the complete opposite. Look at virtually every top team in the NFL this year, and all of them take shots in the passing game. With the rules changes favoring WRs, Gibbs has been slow to adjust his philosophy to leverage that. I've felt that he'd be better off going back to his Air Coryell roots that he established as SD's offensive coordinator.

I think you're greatly underestimating/ignoring what we have done with the draft.

I think they have done a decent job with 1st round picks but after that they dont really have any pics so they cant build any foundation. Anyone that remotely follows college ball can make decent 1st round picks, it the later rounds that provide the foundation & depth all consistent winners in the nfl have.

I think they have done a decent job with 1st round picks but after that they dont really have any pics so they cant build any foundation. Anyone that remotely follows college ball can make decent 1st round picks, it the later rounds that provide the foundation & depth all consistent winners in the nfl have.

You're making this argument in another thread and it kind of baffles me quite honestly

And also, what rounds do you think McIntosh, Cooley, Blades, Golston, Montgomery were all drafted in?

Ok. He didn't find Albright. But how about we replace him with Cooley who I somehow left off the list.

Some of you guys still miss the point I don't understand how you cannot see the fact that we have vastly improved in personnel since he got back and we have a solid foundation. Not to mention a Potential FRANCHISE QB who has only started 16 games.

This is very similar to Parcells in Dallas. We want to run Gibbs out of town then watch his players be great, and give all the creidt to another coach.

Chris Cooley was a 2 for 1 deal. Sure he's great, but when you have to spend two draft picks to get him, it's just not the most efficient way to use the draft.

How can you say we have "vastly improved in personnel" when we have a losing record over three and a half seasons?

You're making this argument in another thread and it kind of baffles me quite honestly

And also, what rounds do you think McIntosh, Cooley, Blades, Golston, Montgomery were all drafted in?

I'm not saying the Skins dont have any but out of all those rounds and picks you can name 5, 3 of which are barely recognizable as Skins.

We waited to play J. Campbell until he was ready while everyone was screaming for him. We didn't throw him in the fire look at how that worked out for San Fran and others.

Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. It did work for Dallas and Troy Aikman, Indy and Peyton Manning...

I think you'll find that for the quarterbacks who were thrown into the fire "before they were ready" and didn't perform, those same QBs weren't cut out for the NFL to begin with, and how they were worked into their respective starting positions wouldn't have mattered anyway.