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Beemnseven 01-23-2008, 07:48 PM No one should be the scapegoat. Various head coaches have struggled in D.C., with and without Vinny and Danny's interference. Marty had full control of the team, yet he struggled. Gibbs essentially had full control and did not meet expectations. Various players have struggled in D.C., only to improve while playing elsewhere. We've had rashes of injuries at inopportune times. In other words, there are a whole host of reasons why this team's record has been mediocre since Danny became majority owner.
I see. So the buck stops nowhere.
Let me ask you this -- if Snyder inherited the team today, and the general manager of the team had the record that Snyder has compiled, what would happen to him? What should happen to him?
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 01-23-2008, 07:51 PM I see. So the buck stops nowhere.
Let me ask you this -- if Snyder inherited the team today, and the general manager of the team had the record that Snyder has compiled, what would happen to him? What should happen to him?
The buck does indeed stop at Danny's feet. But I think it's a little too easy to pin all our woes on just one man. For example.......Spurrier anyone?
As to your second point, are you alleging that Snyder is our GM? He performs some GM-like functions, but I don't know how the power structure works and I don't know what decisions Danny made or vetoed. If you have inside info, please share.
Beemnseven 01-23-2008, 07:58 PM For example.......Spurrier anyone?
Exactly. And who hired him?
As to my second 'point' -- it was actually more of a question -- what would Snyder do with a general manager/director of player personnel/team president with a record of 50-62?
It's a simple question really.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 01-23-2008, 08:07 PM Exactly. And who hired him?
As to my second 'point' -- it was actually more of a question -- what would Snyder do with a general manager/director of player personnel/team president with a record of 50-62?
It's a simple question really.
Spurrier didn't work out, but most "football minds" were convinced he would do quite well. Snyder gambled and got it wrong, along with the other "experts."
As to your second question, it was rhetorical (i.e., a point). But, to answer it, Snyder would fire himself. That said, I'm not sure why you would indict Snyder's decision-making abilities and then ask what he would do to a GM with a record of 50-62.
GMScud 01-23-2008, 08:24 PM Spurrier didn't work out, but most "football minds" were convinced he would do quite well. Snyder gambled and got it wrong, along with the other "experts."
As to your second question, it was rhetorical (i.e., a point). But, to answer it, Snyder would fire himself. That said, I'm not sure why you would indict Snyder's decision-making abilities and then ask what he would do to a GM with a record of 50-62.
I think he meant would Snyder fire Vinny. I'm still not sure why Snyder is so enamored with Vinny after nearly a decade of questionable front office work.
Funny how Vinny "improved" his personnel decisions when Gibbs came back. I know he had success in SF and at Notre Dame, but I'm not a fan.
Slingin Sammy 33 01-23-2008, 08:26 PM I think what we will find out once all the dust settles, if GW isn't the guy, is that he was demanding similar control over the franchise as Gibbs had and Snyder wouldn't give up that control...and I don't blame Snyder at all. It's one thing to give complete control over the franchise (that you grew up a fan of and truly love) to someone like Gibbs who the Danny idolizes and is a HoF coach. But it is another thing to give control to someone unproven. GW was not successful in Buffalo and has been inconsistent here.
I have been for setting up the same structure as with Gibbs, Bethard and JKC. Maybe this is what Snyder was trying to set up and GW wouldn't go for it. Obviously this is speculation, but before we dump on Snyder we should wait and see how this shakes out. One thing we should all know for sure is Snyder is a true Redskins fan and he wants to win. We should be greatful for that because I think at least half of the NFL owners are more businessmen worried about profits rather than winning.
Gtothearry 01-23-2008, 08:30 PM But it is another thing to give control to someone unproven.
So, we just hand the team over to Cerrato? What has he proven.
SmootSmack 01-23-2008, 08:32 PM So, we just hand the team over to Cerrato? What has he proven.
How do you feel about our roster overall?
DynamiteRave 01-23-2008, 08:39 PM I think we should just make Cerrato our Head Coach and then all of our problems are solved. ;)
Beemnseven 01-23-2008, 08:40 PM ...I'm not sure why you would indict Snyder's decision-making abilities and then ask what he would do to a GM with a record of 50-62.
Well, since he is the owner of the team, and has shown no indication that he's going to sell, the only thing we can hope for is for him to fire himself, Cerrato, and let someone else run the show. So being reasonable about it, I have to afford him at least some level of competence to recognize that he and Cerrato aren't fit to lead this franchise to a competitive status.
But you answered correctly -- he would fire the GM with a 50-62 record. So why should even the most blindly loyal Snyderatto apologist tell us with a straight face that they deserve another shot to guide the front office operations of this franchise when their record is good enough to get anybody else canned?
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