Brian Cushing

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Trample the Elderly
01-21-2009, 10:12 PM
The simple fact that we honestly believe that the Skins are going to draft again is great news in my book. Even if they don't trade and don't get anymore picks. If they improve on last years draft then we'll get two productive players (perhaps the first pick) that will start.

Trample the Elderly
01-21-2009, 10:22 PM
I'll change my name to ScudSmack for a week in your honor :)

I'm still not 100% sold on Oher. But I won't complain if we got him

Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?

WaldSkins
01-21-2009, 10:28 PM
I hope the board does turn out the way Smootsmack has it because then we won't take Brian Cushings.

GusFrerotte
01-21-2009, 10:33 PM
Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?


We would have to trade someone like Randle El or Moss to get any significant extra picks in the draft. Some have said Rogers or Landry in the recent past, but those guys contribute more than Randle El. I don't like trading down. The quality of the players goes to pot after the 2nd-3rd rounds. After that all you are getting is practice squad fodder for the most part. Of course you might get a couple keepers, but with our recent past in the draft I hghly doubt it.

The Goat
01-21-2009, 10:38 PM
Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?

Thus the speculation we will trade Moss or someone else to gain picks. At first the idea didn't seem realistic because who would we trade w/ the value of a 2nd rounder that we don't really need? The idea of trading Los for instance seems rather tarded being that we used the 1st round pick to acquire him and we would have to replace him w/ a quality starter (meaning either our 1st round pick - again - or pay someone a boatload through FA). But then I heard Moss as a possible trade and started to warm up to the idea. It's a risk because it means one of the new WR additions must produce for us in '09. I think i'm ok with taking that risk but i'm glad the coaches make the decision. Also heard Horton as a trade possibility, which a lot of Warpathers don't agree with evidently, but i think it makes sense if we're gonna have Los/Hall for starting corners and Landry/Springs for starting safeties (from what I understand Blache and the who's who really like Springs and want to retain him). Bottom line is a trade of Moss or Horton or both guys in a package deal to get an even higher pick seems like a good idea now IMO.

The Goat
01-21-2009, 10:41 PM
We would have to trade someone like Randle El or Moss to get any significant extra picks in the draft. Some have said Rogers or Landry in the recent past, but those guys contribute more than Randle El. I don't like trading down. The quality of the players goes to pot after the 2nd-3rd rounds. After that all you are getting is practice squad fodder for the most part. Of course you might get a couple keepers, but with our recent past in the draft I hghly doubt it.

Agreed Gus... for every Tom Brady to Chris Horton in the lower rounds there's a thousand... well, guys you can't even name cause they did jack squat. 1st round picks (and especially top 15), if you draft smart, should be franchise players, so by trading down in all likelihood you're just foregoing a franchise player IMO.

GMScud
01-21-2009, 10:51 PM
Seeing how Vinny has stated he wants more draft picks. How feasible is it that we'll use the first and not trade down. If we've only got four then how does Vinny get more? Wouldn't it be safe to say we might trade a guy for a second rounder this year and a third next year? I can also see him trading down to get more picks. Is seven picks consisting of OT, C, OG, OLB, with a DB and or a DE sound right? Most of the posts and talking heads seem to agree that we all NEED these positions and this would make the most sense in getting them?

If we use the 13th overall pick (on Cushing or anyone else) and don't trade down, I would suspect it will be after Carlos Rogers has been traded for one or more picks. Not saying I want to see Carlos go (I'd rather keep him and trade down), but if we do draft at 13, that's how I think it will go down.

Dirtbag59
01-21-2009, 10:55 PM
Mel Kiper has us picking Brian Orkapo (DE Texas)

WaldSkins
01-21-2009, 10:57 PM
Thus the speculation we will trade Moss or someone else to gain picks. At first the idea didn't seem realistic because who would we trade w/ the value of a 2nd rounder that we don't really need? The idea of trading Los for instance seems rather tarded being that we used the 1st round pick to acquire him and we would have to replace him w/ a quality starter (meaning either our 1st round pick - again - or pay someone a boatload through FA). But then I heard Moss as a possible trade and started to warm up to the idea. It's a risk because it means one of the new WR additions must produce for us in '09. I think i'm ok with taking that risk but i'm glad the coaches make the decision. Also heard Horton as a trade possibility, which a lot of Warpathers don't agree with evidently, but i think it makes sense if we're gonna have Los/Hall for starting corners and Landry/Springs for starting safeties (from what I understand Blache and the who's who really like Springs and want to retain him). Bottom line is a trade of Moss or Horton or both guys in a package deal to get an even higher pick seems like a good idea now IMO.

1.) If we trade Moss, Cooley will be tripled covered all the time. Those two are our only threats and are usually double teamed. Plus we can't get rid of our best receiver going into Campbell's contract year. This is the year JC has to show this is his team and by taking away the best reciever we have and inserting a D.Thomas does not work well for him. (The only way i could see us being able to deal Moss would be a straight up trade for Boldin)

2.) Why trade Horton?? What do you think we will receive for him??

The Goat
01-21-2009, 10:58 PM
Mel Kiper has us picking Brian Orkapo (DE Texas)

Just saw that too... wonder how many time Mel will change his mind between now and reality day?

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