Brian Cushing

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SmootSmack
01-21-2009, 10:58 PM
We could also trade picks in future years

SFREDSKIN
01-21-2009, 10:59 PM
Mel Kiper has us picking Brian Orkapo (DE Texas)

Exactly!! And doesn't even have Ray Mauluga picked in the top 16, which if he's right we could have a chance for him (but we know Mel ain't right).

Mel Kiper: 2009 NFL mock draft - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=3850049)

Dirtbag59
01-21-2009, 11:01 PM
We could also trade picks in future years

Please if you know something horrible keep it to yourself.

GMScud
01-21-2009, 11:02 PM
What do you know about Jason Smith as a Run Blocker because the impression I get from reading profiles make me think that he's more of a finesse guy rather then a mauler.

Jason Smith needs to put on a little weight I think (barely 300lbs), and he started his career at Baylor as a TE, so it doesn't surprise me that he has a finesse reputation. When I said I'd rather have him before Oher, it was mainly because most of the shit I've read online has him ranked higher. I'm no draft expert whatsoever.

WaldSkins
01-21-2009, 11:04 PM
Jason Smith needs to put on a little weight I think (barely 300lbs), and he started his career at Baylor as a TE, so it doesn't surprise me that he has a finesse reputation. When I said I'd rather have him before Oher, it was mainly because most of the shit I've read online has him ranked higher. I'm no draft expert whatsoever.

I would without a doubt select Oher if we have the chance.

The Goat
01-21-2009, 11:05 PM
1.) If we trade Moss, Cooley will be tripled covered all the time. Those two are our only threats and are usually double teamed. Plus we can't get rid of our best receiver going into Campbell's contract year. This is the year JC has to show this is his team and by taking away the best reciever we have and inserting a D.Thomas does not work well for him. (The only way i could see us being able to deal Moss would be a straight up trade for Boldin)

2.) Why trade Horton?? What do you think we will receive for him??

There is risk w/ trading Moss because a young player has to step up big time. Personally, I wouldn't trade him and go get another WR who knows nothing about our system and has not worked w/ JC, so maybe it's a big risk but for a high 2nd round pick maybe it makes sense.

As to Horton a trade makes sense if 1) Springs restructures favorably and moves to FS for us where he should be less prone to injury and likely to play strong for 3 or so more years and 2) Los is retained and Hall signed 3) we can get at least a 3rd rounder out of the trade. Why? With a starting secondary of Los/Hall at CB and Landry/Springs at SS/FS I'd argue we'll be even better than the '08 secondary. And also there's a value aspect to trading a 6th round guy for a 3rd or 2nd round pick, say another talented guy for o or d line where we need real help. I'd argue the set-up leaves us pretty deep at safety because because Doughty and Moore will be back.

The Goat
01-21-2009, 11:09 PM
If we use the 13th overall pick (on Cushing or anyone else) and don't trade down, I would suspect it will be after Carlos Rogers has been traded for one or more picks. Not saying I want to see Carlos go (I'd rather keep him and trade down), but if we do draft at 13, that's how I think it will go down.

Can u give some insight as to how the FO will replace Los if he's traded? Even if we sign Hall and keep Springs as a CB (seems irresponsible but i'll roll with it) we know we'll be short a starting corner for several games a year. Smoot starting even more? Use a pick or grab a FA?

WaldSkins
01-21-2009, 11:12 PM
There is risk w/ trading Moss because a young player has to step up big time. Personally, I wouldn't trade him and go get another WR who knows nothing about our system and has not worked w/ JC, so maybe it's a big risk but for a high 2nd round pick maybe it makes sense.

As to Horton a trade makes sense if 1) Springs restructures favorably and moves to FS for us where he should be less prone to injury and likely to play strong for 3 or so more years and 2) Los is retained and Hall signed 3) we can get at least a 3rd rounder out of the trade. Why? With a starting secondary of Los/Hall at CB and Landry/Springs at SS/FS I'd argue we'll be even better than the '08 secondary. And also there's a value aspect to trading a 6th round guy for a 3rd or 2nd round pick, say another talented guy for o or d line where we need real help. I'd argue the set-up leaves us pretty deep at safety because because Doughty and Moore will be back.

Springs does not restructure, he hasn't in the past and i dont see him doing us any favors.

Horton was our 7th round pick and i don't see any team giving us anything above a 4th for him.

The Goat
01-21-2009, 11:16 PM
Springs does not restructure, he hasn't in the past and i dont see him doing us any favors.

Horton was our 7th round pick and i don't see any team giving us anything above a 4th for him.

I've always said the same about Springs, and for that I think we need to give him the boot. My fear is Blache or Grey or someone is in love w/ Springs and just won't part w/ him.

Probably right about Horton too, and again if we cut Springs as we should then Horton has to be retained anyway.

GMScud
01-21-2009, 11:20 PM
Can u give some insight as to how the FO will replace Los if he's traded? Even if we sign Hall and keep Springs as a CB (seems irresponsible but i'll roll with it) we know we'll be short a starting corner for several games a year. Smoot starting even more? Use a pick or grab a FA?

I would suspect that's how it would go down. Smoot is bad. He stunk all year. I personally think we should cut Springs and not trade Carlos. However, if Carlos leaves, we may add another corner through FA, and we'll start Springs as long as he's healthy at the other corner slot next to Hall. If we do draft a corner, it shouldn't be early.

I don't really like this plan, but that's my speculation, for what it's worth.

This question should probably be in a draft thread, but how about this- what if we trade Carlos for a few picks, AND trade the 13th pick for more picks? We could go from 4 picks to 8 or 9 pretty quickly.

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