GMScud
03-30-2009, 12:19 PM
Seriously we are supoose to beleive this. After knowing the kids for a few months and only during short visits you have them calling you "papi" as though you were their dad. Man, you are royal piece of shit. If I was that dad I would have your crazy bi-polar ass in the hospital by now!
If you disagree with his situation or flat out don't believe him, why not just refrain from posting on this thread? At the end of the day we're all just nothing more than usernames to each other. To come at him with insults seems like a pretty big waste of time IMO.
GMScud
03-30-2009, 12:27 PM
^ Nope never been left out in the cold but if you are a parent and you can imangine someone coming along and taking your kids from you and "stealing" your daddy title you would be more then pissed. If you don't have kids you can pretend to understand but really any parent here wil ltell you that is one of the lows things going. To think of someone else raising my child pains me to no end.
The POS comment was probably over the top and I apologize.
Yeah but if everything Jsarno is saying is the truth, this guy has had ample opportunity to be a good father/husband and has failed thus far. Hopefully he'll still be a part of his kids' lives, but it sounds like he has to make some changes.
Look, shit happens. My parents divorced when I was 14 and my brother was 10. It was tough, but leading up to the split they were both so unhappy in their marriage, and it trickled down to me and my brother. It was tough and awkward for a while, especially when my Dad started dating other women right away. Sure they both made some mistakes. Who doesn't in life? They have both since re-married, and I went from having two miserable parents to having four very happy parents.
mredskins
03-30-2009, 12:52 PM
GMScud sorry for your childhood and the crap you had to go through. The point of my outrage was not the divorce, it was the point that these kids are basically being messed with by having to call Jasnro daddy or papi (even if it is by their own choice they should be corrected).
How would you feel if after your parents divorce your dad ask you to call one of his GF mom or mommy? Would that not have have messed with your mind?
GMScud
03-30-2009, 01:16 PM
GMScud sorry for your childhood and the crap you had to go through. The point of my outrage was not the divorce, it was the point that these kids are basically being messed with by having to call Jasnro daddy or papi (even if it is by their own choice they should be corrected).
How would you feel if after your parents divorce your dad ask you to call one of his GF mom or mommy? Would that not have have messed with your mind?
I had a great childhood, it was just a little rocky for a year or two.
I don't think the kids "have to" call Jsarno "dad." If they are, it shows they have strong feelings towards him. It's kind of a gray area as to whether or not they should be corrected. They are so young. Should they call him his first name? Or Mr. so and so? It's kind of awkward. I think you're focusing on the wrong thing though. If they are taking so well to Jsarno and going so far as to call him "dad," what does that say about their biological father?
As for me, I was 14 when my parents split, so I was old enough to understand what was going on.
I don't think there's any one standard this situation should be held to. It's unique. If I were Jsarno and Julia, I would definitely talk to a counselor or therapist, for three reasons:
1) the children - making sure their mental health and happiness are a priority.
2) her ex-husband - how to cope with his abusive nature and how to keep the children integrated with him in a healthy capacity
3) Julia and Jsarno - making sure they understand possible stumbling blocks in these kind of situations and how to best handle it. If the kids really do see him as "dad," then losing him after already losing their real dad could be really bad.
firstdown
03-30-2009, 04:08 PM
GMScud sorry for your childhood and the crap you had to go through. The point of my outrage was not the divorce, it was the point that these kids are basically being messed with by having to call Jasnro daddy or papi (even if it is by their own choice they should be corrected).
How would you feel if after your parents divorce your dad ask you to call one of his GF mom or mommy? Would that not have have messed with your mind?
Actually papi in the South is more what child would call their grand dad.
SmootSmack
03-30-2009, 04:26 PM
maybe they think jsarno is David Ortiz
FRPLG
03-30-2009, 09:39 PM
maybe they think jsarno is David Ortiz
I've thought that for a while.
Schneed10
03-31-2009, 12:26 AM
I must respectfully, and delicately, back mredskins here. While his choice of words may have been poor, I understand the general sentiment. I do think that if you come onto this website and provide information to the public/membership, then they have the right to judge you for it. This forum encourages the sharing of opinions, and negative opinions are no less valid. That said (and I've learned the hard way on this), it must be done with civility.
But I get the general sentiment and think the following:
1) This decision was rushed into. There was a little back and forth between New Mexico and San Diego to see her, but ultimately a decision like this should take more time. "Doing what makes you happy" is otherwise known as thinking with your dick (figuratively), and only gets you in trouble.
2) I don't think Julia's motives are purely for love. I think she's in it for security, safety, and financial support. If it were love, she wouldn't have gone so many years with no contact.
3) I think jsarno has acted irresponsibly by going on a vacation when he has no gainful employment, and has no prospects for adequately supporting a family of four.
4) While the previous husband has been abusive, I see the children as hardly better off today. Jsarno's decision making leading up to this point leads me to believe they still lack a quality male role model in their lives. And that's very sad.
5) Until you're living with the children as a full-time parent who actually takes care of them, provides discipline, structure, routine and comfort, it doesn't matter how much they like to go to Chucky Cheese with you. Because of the tendency to make decisions so selfishly, I don't think jsarno has it in him to be a quality parent. Being a good father takes work, commitment, dedication, dependability, and most of all sacrifice. To date, jsarno has exhibited none of these qualities.
Respectfully, I'm not fond of the way this situation has been handled. I would be surprised if it turns out well in the long haul. But no doubt I'll never know the complete truth, it certainly won't be revealed in this thread.
saden1
03-31-2009, 02:07 AM
Dr. Phil that's a bit much don't you think? You done gone to places you don't belong doc.