It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

According to Peter King our offer really wasn't the issue, McDaniels simply preferred Orton to run his offense so once that was decided other offers really didn't matter.

Orton better then Campbell, ok if he says so. At least McDaniels saved us from shooting ourselves in the foot.

Yeah I agree. I don't see this being a long term issue at all. JC seems well equiped to handle this and he's shown nothing but class through all of it. I anticipate he will come to Redskins Park and work his butt off to get ready for this season, if anything this will motivate him even more.

I still remember (admittedly vaguely) when Gibbs went 0-5, he responded by going to JoeyT and those two got on the same page, and had a great run. My hope would be that Jim Zorn's response and affirmation to Campbell could have the same effect, and we see these two guys running an offense that is in sync out of the gates.

Orton better then Campbell, ok if he says so. At least McDaniels saved us from shooting ourselves in the foot.

It's all about what someone values. McDaniels thinks Orton is a better fit for his offense, he may not necessarily think Orton is a better overall player, just a better fit. Remember what started all of this was McDaniels wanting Cassell. Again, a better fit than Cutler, not necessarily the better player.

Can we all at least agree that Lil' Danny's line about "learning patience from Coach Gibbs" is complete nonsense now?

They had to know that this was really a huge gamble. If the trade didn't go through you have to come crawling back -- is this something Gibbs would have done? I don't think so.
I don't really know where that came from anyways. During the Gibbs years we had more turnover of the roster and acquisition misses (Brunell, Archuleta, Lloyd to name a few) than we did since 2000. I've said before and will say again, the Gibbs 2.0 era set our franchise back 8-10 years (the 4 years he was here and the 4 it will take to revise our roster) and we're still trying to recover from it.

I wish we could some how collect all the post after say the Eagles victory last season. Man people were loving JC. I think he can still do it, it is really going to come down to the OL and the development of our young WR. Cutler would have had the same struggles here regardless.

A QB is not like a pitcher in baseball, there are many more moving parts that are out of his control as compared to a pitcher. That is why comparing the win/ loss column with QB's is a joke.

It's all about what someone values. McDaniels thinks Orton is a better fit for his offense, he may not necessarily think Orton is a better overall player, just a better fit. Remember what started all of this was McDaniels wanting Cassell. Again, a better fit than Cutler, not necessarily the better player.


I hear you!

Can we now trade Campbell for julius peppers?? I mean he knows that he's not wanted, and we don't have a DE opposite carter and wynn and daniels are not the answer ...bring in Brennan

2 seemingly obvious points. Carter (RDE) and Wynn/Daniels (LDE) do play opposite each other. If you want to see Brennan, buy some DVDs of him playing at Hawaii. He's nowhere near ready to play QB at the NFL level against starters over 16 games. If he has a great, lights out camp then he maybe, MAYBE, will beat out Collins for the #2 QB spot. Nowhere else is the 3rd string QB a fanbase legend. We're comical.

I still remember (admittedly vaguely) when Gibbs went 0-5, he responded by going to JoeyT and those two got on the same page, and had a great run. My hope would be that Jim Zorn's response and affirmation to Campbell could have the same effect, and we see these two guys running an offense that is in sync out of the gates.

That's my hope also, that the two of them hear all that's being written and said about them (Zorn is just a placeholder for Shanahan/Cowher/Gruden/Holmgren & the past 2 weeks for JC) and just basically say 'f*** it, let's show them.'

Campbell, Zorn, Cerrato and Snyder are expected to meet soon in an attempt to continue the healing process, sources close to Campbell said, with the team at some point planning to issue a statement of confidence in its former first-round draft pick, possibly as early as today washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/02/AR2009040204148.html?sid=ST2009040204271)

I truly hope that Campbell goes into that meeting and tells Snyderatto that the one way they can reassure him is with a 3 year extension. Either way, I hope he's going to go out and prove that he's a franchise QB and he will get his due at the end of the year.

Yep, Both are competitors, and I doubt very much self-doubt creeps in. If they both buy in to the other's abilities then that should be huge.

One question, and I wonder if we will ever get this answered truthfully. Vinny has always said the FO runs with the 3 big dogs coming to a group solution. We assume Danny wanted Cutler, we also assume Zorn was content with (and possibly actively campaigned for) Campbell. But does anyone know how vocal Vinnie was in these discussions?
In other words, did the 3-headed solution actually work the way it claims, and Danny backed away from his desire by listening to his football people, or did we just get turned away at the gate of Denver?

I suppose this goes to whether another team saved us from ourselves or whether our FO showed it is capable of following its own rules.