It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

Yeah I agree. I don't see this being a long term issue at all. JC seems well equiped to handle this and he's shown nothing but class through all of it. I anticipate he will come to Redskins Park and work his butt off to get ready for this season, if anything this will motivate him even more.

Agreed, even when Campbell's name was involved in trade talks and everyone called us the front runners, Campbell was at Redskins park working out. I know that interviews and character doesn't win games alone, but he couldn't have handled this situation any better, at least publicly.

I guess McDaniels also thinks Orton is better than Cutler using that logic.

I think it's just a matter of him thinking Orton is a better fit for his offense.

ortons a horrible qb - he's not good for any system. if the excuse for campbell that he has had a bad offensive line is legit -no way anyone takes orton over campbell. ortons sucked it up behind a dominant line for years.

even if you hold to that argument, then how do you respond to the fact that no one thought campbell was worth a 2nd rounder?

campbells not that good. even his team mates in trying to defend him admitted that by saying the constant system changes were 'keeping him from being good.'

what's it going to take for people to realize campbell is not that good of a qb?

ortons a horrible qb - he's not good for any system. if the excuse for campbell that he has had a bad offensive line is legit -no way anyone takes orton over campbell. ortons sucked it up behind a dominant line for years.

even if you hold to that argument, then how do you respond to the fact that no one thought campbell was worth a 2nd rounder?

campbells not that good. even his team mates in trying to defend him admitted that by saying the constant system changes were 'keeping him from being good.'

what's it going to take for people to realize campbell is not that good of a qb?

Ok so why did McDaniels want Orton then??

ortons a horrible qb - he's not good for any system. if the excuse for campbell that he has had a bad offensive line is legit -no way anyone takes orton over campbell. ortons sucked it up behind a dominant line for years.

even if you hold to that argument, then how do you respond to the fact that no one thought campbell was worth a 2nd rounder?

campbells not that good. even his team mates in trying to defend him admitted that by saying the constant system changes were 'keeping him from being good.'

what's it going to take for people to realize campbell is not that good of a qb?

He had a decent year last year.

I've only heard of one team being contacted about trading JC for a 2nd round pick. And that hasn't even been validated as far as I know. Where's all this shopping around talk coming from?
Help me out here BHA. One official from another team said he got a call. Where did you see he was shopped around to the whole league?

He has been treated unfairly how? His record is worse then MB and everyone is saying he was treated unfairly. Has he even had a winning season? I like the guy but I'm not against moving on.

Whether it was intentional or not, his situation with the redskins wasn't the most conducive for a quarterback to flourish. There was a lack of consistency within the organization, most notably the number of offenses that he has had to learn. And now, the lack of confidence shown through the redskins' efforts in trying to trade Campbell and/or trying to trade for Cutler.

But no, I agree with you with (liking him and) not against moving on (without him). Everyone has their share of adversity (if that's how he sees it) - but it's about getting through it and getting better because of it. It's like the old saying... what doesn't kill you makes you stronger - but you have to be willing to face it and go through it. I think it's time that Campbell faces all of this and shows everybody he is strong enough to battle through all of this stuff and show us that he's a champion. Isn't that what champions are measured with - how much adversity they have overcome?

And compared to others, Campbell's situation isn't that bad. That's why Cutler is seen as a crybaby, because there are millions of people out there that would trade their best day for their worst day in football to be be able to be given their situations and chances in life. The one thing that I like about Cutler though is - he has fire. Something at this point that Campbell lacks and needs to find.

Ok so why did McDaniels want Orton then??

because orton, as horrible as he is, is really a better, more teachable QB than campbell.

no matter what system he's in, campbell will always stare down his receivers, be afraid to look deep, not go through his reads, have a slow release, and hold on to the ball too long. he's got a great attitude but he's not franchise QB material.

the way I see it, we learned two things yesterday:

1. The Redskins don't want Jason Campbell.
2. Neither does anyone else.

because orton, as horrible as he is, is really a better, more teachable QB than campbell.

no matter what system he's in, campbell will always stare down his receivers, be afraid to look deep, not go through his reads, have a slow release, and hold on to the ball too long. he's got a great attitude but he's not franchise QB material.

the way I see it, we learned two things yesterday:

1. The Redskins don't want Jason Campbell.
2. Neither does anyone else.

I'm still not understanding your logic but I'll just leave it at that.

because orton, as horrible as he is, is really a better, more teachable QB than campbell.

no matter what system he's in, campbell will always stare down his receivers, be afraid to look deep, not go through his reads, have a slow release, and hold on to the ball too long. he's got a great attitude but he's not franchise QB material.

the way I see it, we learned two things yesterday:

1. The Redskins don't want Jason Campbell.
2. Neither does anyone else.

:laughing2 I find your posts interesting yet funny at times BHA. How many offenses has Campbell learned in the last 7-8 years? What makes Horton more teachable?

because orton, as horrible as he is, is really a better, more teachable QB than campbell.

no matter what system he's in, campbell will always stare down his receivers, be afraid to look deep, not go through his reads, have a slow release, and hold on to the ball too long. he's got a great attitude but he's not franchise QB material.

the way I see it, we learned two things yesterday:

1. The Redskins don't want Jason Campbell.
2. Neither does anyone else.
McDaniels is saying the right things on Orton now, but Orton may be a stop-gap depending on what the Broncos do on draft day. That being said, Orton comes from Joe Tiller's spread at Purdue and did very well in it. The Purdue offense is similar to what McDaniels will be putting in at Denver.

Your assessment of Campbell couldn't be more wrong IMO, but you and I have beat that horse to death. I don't think we learned the "Redskins" don't want Campbell. At the end of yesterday the Skins didn't make the trade for whatever reason. Zorn publicly and behind the scenes supported Campbell. Hard to say where VC and Snyder stood on this and who was pushing for what. We'll never know the truth on that.