the new health care?

Saden stated "The topic of the selfish nature of man was brought up to highlight that without government mandate some among us would not be interested in paying for UHC. Joe doesn't need to defend himself, and he isn't. He is merely expressing his view on the nature of man."

In my case its not that I don't want to pay for health care I allready pay a good sum each month its the fact that the goverment will make it more expensive then it currently is. Once again look at the model they are basing their plan off in Mass. Prices have jumped higher then private ins. but why look at the perfect example when we have Obama telling us this will not happen. We should just take his numbers as fact because he also said the stimulas would create jobs and unemployment would stay under 8.5%.

i would argue with you. but im only allowed 1 post in any political thread:) otherwise i get spanked

Saden stated "The topic of the selfish nature of man was brought up to highlight that without government mandate some among us would not be interested in paying for UHC. Joe doesn't need to defend himself, and he isn't. He is merely expressing his view on the nature of man."

In my case its not that I don't want to pay for health care I allready pay a good sum each month its the fact that the goverment will make it more expensive then it currently is. Once again look at the model they are basing their plan off in Mass. Prices have jumped higher then private ins. but why look at the perfect example when we have Obama telling us this will not happen. We should just take his numbers as fact because he also said the stimulas would create jobs and unemployment would stay under 8.5%.

Analysis: Recession's job losses
may take years to recover (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32314827/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/)


cant build Rome in a day. give the man some time

Analysis: Recession's job losses (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32314827/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/)
may take years to recover (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32314827/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/)


cant build Rome in a day. give the man some time

I'm using Obama's words not mine. He actually said it would not go over 8% so maybe he needs to read your link. If he was so dam smart he should have known that and not said anything at all, but maybe he is not that smart.I'm using Obama's words not mine. He actually said it would not go over 8% so maybe he needs to read your link. If he was so dam smart he should have known that and not said anything at all, but maybe he is not that smart. Now they are calling the people opposing his new Health Insurance Reform thugs. Great thing for a president to call the American people but this is coming from the party that stands for sit down and do as I say.

Analysis: Recession's job losses (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32314827/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/)
may take years to recover (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32314827/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/)


cant build Rome in a day. give the man some time
not sure why it posted twice.

Great read here:

Peggy Noonan: ‘You Are Terrifying Us’ - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574334623330098540.html)

Great read here:

Peggy Noonan: ‘You Are Terrifying Us’ - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574334623330098540.html)

Thanks that was a good read. I just cannot believe how the Dems have gone so low with all the name calling of these people showing up at town hall meetings. Last time I looked they where US citizens and had the right of free speech. Maybe now free speech is only if your agree with Obama.

Thanks that was a good read. I just cannot believe how the Dems have gone so low with all the name calling of these people showing up at town hall meetings. Last time I looked they where US citizens and had the right of free speech. Maybe now free speech is only if your agree with Obama.

Come on FD, you know that any regular citizen who actually stands up to Lord Obama and the Dems simply cannot be for real. It's got to be "well-dressed" stand-ins mobilized by the RNC. :doh:

That's why the Dems have instructed union heads to descend on these "fake" town hall meetings to straighten people out. Better not preach any "mis-information" on health care or you'll get flagged by the White House.

Come on FD, you know that any regular citizen who actually stands up to Lord Obama and the Dems simply cannot be for real. It's got to be "well-dressed" stand-ins mobilized by the RNC. :doh:

That's why the Dems have instructed union heads to descend on these "fake" town hall meetings to straighten people out. Better not preach any "mis-information" on health care or you'll get flagged by the White House.

It's not called health care reform any more its now called Health Insurance Reform. Now thats change.

I never could have imagined that "right wing extremist" were capable of making me smile. For now this is the closest thing we have to political balance until the next set of elections in 2010. I mean I love Obama and a lot of the things he's doing but a democratic president with a democratic majority in the house and the senate scares the daylight out of me. And for the record the opposite doesn't make me sleep well at night either.

Keep up the protest crazy people :D

In the meantime Obama would probably do well to learn from his predecessor as I think a main reason people really started to turn on Bush was because he just started doing his own thing and as a result tuned out when it came to public opinion.