Vinny tips his hand on the final 53

Who the hell said that?

the statement I made was about STATS. I am saying that jsut because a player has formidable stats doesn't mean he is the best player. That's why I used Cribbs and Hester as an example. Mason, Aldridge or Dorsey are no where in the league as those guys. But one thing is for sure. Rock is not goign to get any better. Let's just let M.A.D go (Mason, Aldridge & Dorsey) and stick with Rock. then maybe TTB will be available in the future.You just rebutted CRedskinsRule accusation of a false alternative with a false alternative. You are quite a piece of work.

You don't HAVE to release Rock to keep one of Mason/Alridge/Dorsey. It was your idea that Rock should go and make room. It was incredibly shortsighted to ignore that Rock has nothing to do with your desire for a younger, more explosive RB, but yet, that's where we're at.

Stats a side, the team drills in the "versatility" among players issue. My issue is the fact people including the coach's want to comment on Mason's lack of playing special teams but want to over look Cartwright's lack of playing RB. As funny as you all think it sounds I think Mason is better then Rock maybe even better then Betts. Rock never gets positive yrds as a RB he gets lucky and breaks one for 30-40 yrds in a game when utilized as a RB during preseason against 2nd stringers. Mason lead the league in yrds against same said 2nds stringers. One would wonder why a RB in the league for 8yrs, according to ESPN, can't do better against 2nd stringers. Apparently he's not good of a RB.

Betts is not bad but is getting old which brings on the issue of injuries. Didn't he just sit out a preseason game due to one? I know it's only preseason and probably wants to heal prior to the season but the fact is he was nicked. At close to 30 yrs of age he's no spring chicken and the pounding will wear on his body just as it has Portis the last few yrs. Also can someone explain why the team is planning on using Betts as the third down back when on countless times he could not pick up 4th and 1 or 3rd and 2? Most of us on the boards screamed that Portis should have been getting those carries or Sellers.

We could resolve this argument by having Haynesworth return kicks. It would revolutionize the game. :)

Stats a side, the team drills in the "versatility" among players issue. My issue is the fact people including the coach's want to comment on Mason's lack of playing special teams but want to over look Cartwright's lack of playing RB. As funny as you all think it sounds I think Mason is better then Rock maybe even better then Betts. Rock never gets positive yrds as a RB he gets lucky and breaks one for 30-40 yrds in a game when utilized as a RB during preseason against 2nd stringers. Mason lead the league in yrds against same said 2nds stringers. One would wonder why a RB in the league for 8yrs, according to ESPN, can't do better against 2nd stringers. Apparently he's not good of a RB.

Betts is not bad but is getting old which brings on the issue of injuries. Didn't he just sit out a preseason game due to one? I know it's only preseason and probably wants to heal prior to the season but the fact is he was nicked. At close to 30 yrs of age he's no spring chicken and the pounding will wear on his body just as it has Portis the last few yrs. Also can someone explain why the team is planning on using Betts as the third down back when on countless times he could not pick up 4th and 1 or 3rd and 2? Most of us on the boards screamed that Portis should have been getting those carries or Sellers.

SO Why can't we keep the guy who gives us the proven return/st ability, and also bring in the most promising of the other RBs. Why does it seemngly have to be all or nothing?

We could resolve this argument by having Haynesworth return kicks. It would revolutionize the game. :)

Now that would be a sight. Imagine his face as hes huffing down the field, it may be enough to scare the defenders out of the way!

We could resolve this argument by having Haynesworth return kicks. It would revolutionize the game. :)

Or start another thread about the same topic where you can argue about it in a new setting? LOL.

SO Why can't we keep the guy who gives us the proven return/st ability, and also bring in the most promising of the other RBs. Why does it seemngly have to be all or nothing?

Good point. If we keep 4 backs not including Sellers. That may be a possibility. I just think if we could keep a 2 out of M.A.D. (mason, aldridge and Dorsey. We could possibly find a diamond in the rough who could possibly contribute on more than one unit.

That's my point of view.

Whether its Mason & Aldridge, Aldridge & Dorsey or Mason & Dorsey. We prepare for the future and could possibly find a replacement for Portis in a few years. So we can use our picks next year on OLs & LBs. If they dont pan out. We can draft a RB the next year. I just don't want what happened last year to happen again. Even if Portis gets hurt and Betts is still their. He will still need someone to fill in for him on some play. Also someone that can punch it in at the goal line. I just think versatility and looking to the future is key.

SO Why can't we keep the guy who gives us the proven return/st ability, and also bring in the most promising of the other RBs. Why does it seemngly have to be all or nothing?

I'll be honest with you. It doesn't even have to be Mason so long as they have a young talent to bring up through the ranks. but I do take exception to people saying blatently ...Mason sucks. If he did the team would not have gone to the lengths they have to get him back. However since stats are important to some please locate Mason and Cartwright on this stat board which I feel is more accurate;

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=null&season=2009&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1)

I'll save you some time. Mason is 33rd on the list of rushers and Cartwright is 99th.

or try this one...

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&archive=false&seasonType=PRE&Submit=Go&qualified=true&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=KICK_RETURNS&d-447263-p=2&experience=null)

The highest Skin on the Return list is Thomas at 23 and Cartwright is 68. My point is stats can be manipulated for whatever purpose. Since Rock has not been used as much this preseason in order to look at others lets look at last yrs stats....

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&archive=false&seasonType=REG&Submit=Go&qualified=true&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-p=5&experience=null)

Rock was 225 on the list of Rushers for last yr. Obviously his leadership skills and tackling are carrying over to his rushing yrds. If he's such a good tackler why doesn't he fill in as Safety. I mean the team definitly needs a sure tackler in the back field.

Rock may have been 6th on ESPN's total yrds for the 08 season as a KR but NFL.com has him tied at 23 for average yrds 25.6 yrds average for every KR.

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=KICK_RETURNS&season=2008&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

Or start another thread about the same topic where you can argue about it in a new setting? LOL.

NO I want to concentrate on the RB position solely and if Rock is expendable..That's why I started the thread. its more straight forward. So people can weigh in..

I'll be honest with you. It doesn't even have to be Mason so long as they have a young talent to bring up through the ranks. but I do take exception to people saying blatently ...Mason sucks. If he did the team would not have gone to the lengths they have to get him back. However since stats are important to some please locate Mason and Cartwright on this stat board which I feel is more accurate;

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=null&season=2009&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1)

I'll save you some time. Mason is 33rd on the list of rushers and Cartwright is 99th.

or try this one...

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&archive=false&seasonType=PRE&Submit=Go&qualified=true&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=KICK_RETURNS&d-447263-p=2&experience=null)

The highest Skin on the Return list is Thomas at 23 and Cartwright is 68. My point is stats can be manipulated for whatever purpose. Since Rock has not been used as much this preseason in order to look at others lets look at last yrs stats....

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&archive=false&seasonType=REG&Submit=Go&qualified=true&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-p=5&experience=null)

Rock was 225 on the list of Rushers for last yr. Obviously his leadership skills and tackling are carrying over to his rushing yrds. If he's such a good tackler why doesn't he fill in as Safety. I mean the team definitly needs a sure tackler in the back field.

Rock may have been 6th on ESPN's total yrds for the 08 season as a KR but NFL.com has him tied at 23 for average yrds 25.6 yrds average for every KR.

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=KICK_RETURNS&season=2008&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go)

My point exactly. Maybe I didn't convey the message clearly. But that's what I mean. By saying stats are important but there are other factors. Age, Versatily (playing on more than one unit) and running ability...Rock is 29 yrs old. Betts 29 and Portis just turned 28.