Who Stays And Who Goes? Perceptions Changing?

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12thMan
12-08-2009, 12:41 AM
Is the idea to be better in 2010 or better in 2010, 2011, 2012, etc? Can Sam Bradford, for example, be a better QB in 2010 than Campbell? Maybe not. But will he be a better than one than him two-three years from now? That's the question we really need to answer

But will the Jason Campbell we have right now be better in two-three years from now?

SmootSmack
12-08-2009, 12:44 AM
But will the Jason Campbell we have right now be better in two-three years from now?

I'm not sure he will be. I think he's sort of plateaued and what you see is what you get. I really don't have a problem with committing to him. I do have a problem with not making a decision one way or the other heading into his 6th NFL season.

GridIron26
12-08-2009, 12:58 AM
I'm not sure he will be. I think he's sort of plateaued and what you see is what you get. I really don't have a problem with committing to him. I do have a problem with not making a decision one way or the other heading into his 6th NFL season.

Good post.. I still really believe that we should give Campbell another chance, he deserves it, after all stuff Redskins FO made him to go through.. I didn't expect to see Campbell throwing 350's yesterday, beside the interception play, he played great.. Like I said couple days ago, Campbell is developing rapport with Thomas and Davis - in other words, he's starting to trust them.. Keep the offense intact, just until we have everything else positioned; if the offense doesn't get better by then, then we can change find a replacement for Campbell (That won't be the situation, but big IF)..

I really believe that's the way to keep Redskins in the hunt for playoffs next year..

tryfuhl
12-08-2009, 03:47 AM
Good post.. I still really believe that we should give Campbell another chance, he deserves it, after all stuff Redskins FO made him to go through.. I didn't expect to see Campbell throwing 350's yesterday, beside the interception play, he played great.. Like I said couple days ago, Campbell is developing rapport with Thomas and Davis - in other words, he's starting to trust them.. Keep the offense intact, just until we have everything else positioned; if the offense doesn't get better by then, then we can change find a replacement for Campbell (That won't be the situation, but big IF)..

I really believe that's the way to keep Redskins in the hunt for playoffs next year..
This really isn't much of an "I owe you" type league though. If you can find a better solution you go with it.

MTK
12-08-2009, 07:58 AM
.....Blow this shit up!

Your boy Marty doesn't agree with blowing things up. And he even thinks Zorn should stay.

SBXVII
12-08-2009, 08:25 AM
Your boy Marty doesn't agree with blowing things up. And he even thinks Zorn should stay.

What the hell do I know ...Marty's an idiot. :)

Just kidding. Well any coach in his right mind would be an idiot to say cut ties with any other HC in public. The only ones not affraid are the ones happy to be in the booth on some tv station. I'll agree that any HC should be given 3-4 yrs to get his system across to the players, however there must be some sign of improvement. Zorn came in and lit it up the first 8 games then when other teams figured out what he was doing he bombed. The team comes back healthy and one would think if it was all about injuries they would have started lighting it up again cause the OL was healthy. Instead they start out bad, injuries start picking up again, Zorn shows no improvement to his system or playcalls. The team goes out and brings in a "consultant" and basically the "consultant" takes over the job.

If you want to keep anyone from this coaching staff I would keep Sherm Lewis. He seems to have fixed or straightened out what the original coaching staff could not....how to put points on the board. If Zorn was a decent HC he should have found a way to figure this out. Gibbs did in his first tenure. He tanked the first 5 games, takes a look at his system and the players he has and made adjustments. They went what 8-8. Then the following season had a better record. That's showing improvement.

Ya want to keep the WCO to keep some form of continuity fine. You want to bring in a new HC, fine. You want to sweet talk the new HC into possibly keeping Lewis as OC or somewhere on the team....president? fine. In my oppinion the team has endured 15 yrs of "hey we are not that far off, we are only one player away from a SB." I'm ready, with the advent of no CBA, to finally blow this up and "Rebuild". Personally I like JC. I like his personality. I do have issues with his playing though but if the team decided to retain him for another year it most likely would be the best scenario at this point. But if we are blowing it up we might as well start off with a new QB as well and not throw JC into yet another change in terminology and scheme. If people are stating JC's growth has been stunted due to all the changes another change will not help him.

I think we need him one more yr though cause Collins needs to go. Colt is unproven and we have no one else worth their weight in gold. I did think Chase Daniels had a lot of up side. Apparently so do the Saints. I just wish we could get him back and let a new HC and staff work with these guys. Perhaps even JC if he's retained.

tryfuhl
12-08-2009, 08:26 AM
Your boy Marty doesn't agree with blowing things up. And he even thinks Zorn should stay.
I wonder if that's because he believes that Zorn might have it.. or if he knows what being prematurely ushered out here is like.

MTK
12-08-2009, 08:30 AM
I wonder if that's because he believes that Zorn might have it.. or if he knows what being prematurely ushered out here is like.

I think Marty knows the value of continuity and he knows you can't build a consistent winner by changing your master plan every 2-3 years.

tryfuhl
12-08-2009, 08:34 AM
I think Marty knows the value of continuity and he knows you can't build a consistent winner by changing your master plan every 2-3 years.
I can get with that. Worse coaches have lasted longer elsewhere I suppose.

SmootSmack
12-08-2009, 08:35 AM
No coach is going to suggest another team fire its current coach. That's plain disrespectful

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