Execution Sucks!

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Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-21-2004, 10:35 PM
He has said that...

I was joking.

skinsguy
11-21-2004, 10:39 PM
Gibbs started 0-5 his first year but rapidly improved after that. We started 1-4, and yet seem no better offensively then we were against Tampa Bay.
I'm not trying to lead any witchhunt. I'm just being objective.

Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

MTK
11-21-2004, 10:40 PM
Seems like people's expectations were maybe a bit too high today, especially considering the QB change we were all desperately calling for.

Remember that before this week Ramsey saw very little time with the 1st unit. As a result, the playcalling was scaled back today to keep things easy for him.

Did anyone really think we were going to come out guns blazin with Ramsey?

Yes the playcalling was very conservative, but we've seen what happens when Ramsey takes more chances. I thought the gameplan was set up to keep Ramsey out of bad situations, build up his confidence and let him make a big play or two.

Unfortunately with a conservative, scaled back attack like we saw today, there's a very small margin for error. And when you have numerous penalties and mental mistakes, that's going to really put a dent in that conservative gameplan.

djnemo65
11-21-2004, 10:41 PM
ugh how many times do I have to say Gibbs deserves some criticism?

I'd just like to see a more even argument here. Seems like we're piling on Gibbs and overlooking what the players are doing, or not doing to be more specific.

I think we owe Gibbs the same level of scrutiny we gave Spurrier, and we excoriated him for these same things the last two years. Now that its Gibbs it doesn't make sense to suddenly blame the players.

We all agree that the players, at least on paper, are good. so who do you blame when good playes don't perform?

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-21-2004, 10:42 PM
I agree that Gibbs kept it pretty conservative to keep Ramsey's confidence up. That was a good move. I just didn't expect to see him call plays THAT conservative.

djnemo65
11-21-2004, 10:43 PM
Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Yeah, but we have Portis and Coles. Whethere they are as good as riggins and monk is debatable, but i think improvement from week to week is a reasonable expectation.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
11-21-2004, 10:43 PM
Its a fair assessment..we haven't hit a hot streak in this season like that season and may not....however look at the players he had that year...There are no Art Monks or John Riggins on this team.

Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

skinsguy
11-21-2004, 10:48 PM
Arrrrrgghhhh, so Gibbs' play calling was a good move for the most part? Dagonnit RF you are confusing person to figure out! :laughing2

Matty just echoed pretty much what I said on the *cough cough* "Hey Joe Gibbs...New Playbook" in that Gibbs kept the play calling conservative to save Ramsey's neck and hopefully his confidence while giving him a few options to go long. True, the short passes are not as exciting, but hey the more of those Ramsey completes the more confidence he builds and the more comfortable he gets. I think it was a pretty good move. :coach:

skinsguy
11-21-2004, 10:51 PM
Portis, Coles, Gardner, Samuels, etc. they're junk.

Come on. We've got one of the best rosters in the league.

Then they need to start executing as such. How many drops have we seen from these receivers this year? I think Portis IS our offense, but even he has dropped many passes. Samuels has been the only consistant I've noticed.

LadyT
11-21-2004, 10:51 PM
Everyone seems to have a different take on why the offense stinks - mental mistakes, stupid penalties, poor execution, bad playcalling, too conservative.

The one constant in all of this is the coach and his staff. They decided who they wanted on the team (e.g. Brunell), they evaluated the talent and supposedly designed the offense around that talent, they decide who will start, they call the plays . . .

It's also very true that they aren't the ones on the field executing the plays.

But when things are as wrong as they are now with our offense, the coaches have to take a great deal of the blame. When any organization is failing (as our offense is), the responsibility must rest squarely with the top of the organization. This is true no matter what you do for a living.

Top management makes decision and, if those decision prove to be wrong, they must redirect their thinking and change what they are doing. To keep repeating what is obviously not working will only result in more of the same.

For his sake, as well as for the sake of all of us Skins fans, I hope and pray that Coach Gibbs has the foresight and courage to make the major changes in offensive philosophy that I feel are necessary if we are to be successful.

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