Execution Sucks!

actually iggles penalties kept that drive alive ;)

seriously, if you think players need to play perfect games and never drop balls ever, than its time for a reality check... no RB consistantly hits 60+ yarders...
Since we have nothing to lose, gibbs should seriously experiment, try deep passing, try shotgun, try 5 WR sets, try anything he can so we don't suck so horribly next year...

Of course I am exaggerating about the 60+, but my point is when our running game doesn't even hit 50 yards, you cannot expect to win, hows that for a reality check? No, I do not think players need to play perfect games and never drop balls ever, I do not recall stating such. What I am saying is that the receivers need to stop dropping the passes that hit them between the numbers or right in their hands...these guys get paid big $$$ to play football, I'm not giving them a free pass to be lazy.

so one drive of HORRIBLE execution. that was supposed to be the initial improvement by gibbs even before the games started. no penalties, mental errors, etc. so while not directly on gibbs, it's still on him in the long-run. and even one of our meager drives was solely bc of gifts by the refs/eagles... though our pathetic game planning couldnt even give us 7 from that gift... 3 pts as per usual... one drive of penalties, heck one game of penalties cannot exhonerate 10 games of the worst offense ive seen in years.

I am not talking about one game I'm talking the season as a whole with execution. If it was just one game that we didn't execute, there would be no discussion. Furthermore, I didn't even get to watch the whole game and there was more than just one drive of HORRIBLE execution.

ok fine. it was one drive totally destroyed by penalties and mental errors. sure they havent been the sharpest. but you dont get to be 32nd in the league, with our kind of players, strictly because of poor execution. it might just be that what theyre trying to execute is just not working. the majority of this bottom-feeding offense is on JG.

Well again, as I've said in other posts, it isn't one thing that is the problem...I posted this thread because I got tired of all the Gibbs bashing treads....sure Gibbs has blame in it..but it's not completely ON Gibbs either...

Skinsguy,

I appreciate that you are loyal to Gibbs through thick and thin. I also appreciate that you have conceded that someof the blame rests on Gibbs' shoulders.

However, you seem to have this instinctive, emotional response to any criticism, however valid and well reasoned, of Gibbs. You've denied that Gibbs' playcalling was overly conservative. If that wasn't conservative, what is? Staying in the locker room?

You've also come down quite hard on the players, but you might want to look into who is heading up player personnel decisions (not only who we went after, but who starts). BTW, it would be Gibbs.

Most of us agree that the players AND Gibbs share in the blame, but I can sense this borderline rage when any thoughtful critique of Gibbs is made. Yes, I remember what Gibbs did for us in his first tenure. Yes, I have faith in him. But I note the good and the bad. I simply don't understand the reluctance to note both.

If an Eagle fan told me Gibbs' playcalling was too conservative, I'd tell him to f--- off. But, we're all 'Skins fans here and I think "in-house" debate and criticism is good and fun.

As for my anticipatory rebuttal:
I don't know as much about football as Gibbs does, but then again, none of us here do. So, to say that I cannot question Gibbs' moves because I don't have the resume he does isn't (IMHO) a valid criticism of my criticisms.

Gee, I had no idea that if I didn't go along with everybody else's opinion that I would be subject to public scrutiny. I have no idea why you keep insisting that I have reluctance to note that both the players and the coaches are responsible for our losing season; especially since I have already stated so. I also don't understand why you scrutinize my opinion on the players when you and others have came down just as hard on the coach if not harder. Furthermore, I understand that Joe Gibbs made a mistake getting Mark Brunell, but ya know, I'm not going to burn him at the stake for that. He wanted a vet in there, he got who he thought could lead the team. But, as we all have witnessed, its not just Brunell that has been the problem playerwise. Its been the receivers dropping passes (look at SS' player stats that will back up what I have been saying)....receivers that I would like to add were already in Washington before Joe Gibbs even considered going back into coaching.

As far the playcalling vs the Eagles...I understand why Gibbs called the game as conservative as he did. Think about it: Ramsey's performance in relief of Brunell this year has been horrible as well as the preseason. I am sure Ramsey needed a conservative game and I saw us throwing the ball dowfield alot more than with Brunell. I honestly feel if you guys would be paitent, we'll see Gibbs loosing up the offense more each game...he wants to bring Ramsey up slowly....Gibbs knows Ramsey's ability, but he also knows that Ramsey needs the confidence...once Ramsey has that established..there's no stopping us!

yeh thats true. the key in it all is just the time its going to take to adjust. the only reason i blame gibbs mostly bc, to me, the players performance is a reflection of the head coach. gibbs' teams traditionally do not make these mistakes. its clear that a false start, hold, or a drop is on the player. however, it will ultimately be up to the coach to fix these problems be it by roster adjustments or whatever. since this is gibbs' first year back we cannot expect immediate fixes of course. however at the same time, we have an absolutely poor team. those are the facts and until it's bettered, gibbs deserves, and more importantly can handle this criticism. if no one is there to criticize him, hows he gonna get better? as skins fans we have longed for next year for 10 yrs. so until i actually am happy with a current season, im gonna let the "constructive criticism" fly ya know?

Well your intitled to your opinion and your criticism....just like I am intitled to mine as well. I hear ya and what you say is true, when players are making stupid mistakes it is a reflection on the coaching. I don't believe Gibbs is unaware of this. I, along with everybody else has waited for next year and believe me, from enjoying all of those years watching the Redskins win on a consistant bases, its frustrating to see where our franchise has came from to what it is now. I'm sure to guys like you that we not old enough to enjoy the glory years, it's probably just as frustrating if not more...but one thing I feel us older guys do have is that we've witnessed what Gibbs can do and when things are working right, they are awesome!! Keep in mind of his first year as head coach back in 1980, the team went 0-5 before ending the season at 8-8. Its still possible for us to get a winning streak going and at least mimic that first season. There are teams we can beat and we did prove that with a little more offensive production (score wise) we can hang with Eagles. This is a good team and I honestly feel we are just a few adjustments away...things are not as bad as 3-7 would indicate.

I have been hard on the players, namely the WRs because I feel they do have the talent and potiental to play better and to be more consistant than what they have shown us..and I am frustrated with that fact. They probably do have the potiential to be the best WR corps in the league, but they need to prove it.