How far can Beck take us?

Beck, like anyone else, should get a fair and neutral evaluation when he is on the field. There are numerous examples of late blooming QBs who moved around, got cut etc, until they found a situation that fit them.

Rich Gannon, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner are the ones that I can think of right off the top of my head (there are many more). I am defining good as - can be a part of a team that wins games....not stats alone.

Beck, like anyone else, should get a fair and neutral evaluation when he is on the field. There are numerous examples of late blooming QBs who moved around, got cut etc, until they found a situation that fit them.

Rich Gannon, Trent Dilfer, Kurt Warner are the ones that I can think of right off the top of my head (there are many more). I am defining good as - can be a part of a team that wins games....not stats alone.

I agree that Beck deserves aa shot, but history is not on his side. Dilfer sucked, but was on a TB team with a defense that could carry a team. Gannon was good for only for a relatively short time in my book. Warner was hot for what 4 seasons til the Rams ran out of gas?

skinster: the only moron is someone who passes judgement about someone without proof or evidence. We know nothing about Beck. Yes, he could suck, but he at least deserves a chance to succeed before we claim him a failure. I know your probably really good on your kickball team, and you think you know talent, but hold off on passing judgment until you have some evidence.

Lol, you didn't actually read any of my posts you responded to did you? I made it pretty clear that he could possibly be good, we don't know because he hasn't shown us that he can't (pretty much what you just said), but I was trying to get you to lay off people who are pessimistic about him. It is reasonable for fans to be worried about a 3rd string qb journeyman taking the reigns. I'm one of those fans who doesn't think Beck will be our answer, but I still am waiting to see, and not completely writing him off until he proves to me otherwise.

I'm not pretending to be a scout, so stop with the kickball references. And since Beck has shown nothing in the NFL, please don't tell me you see the good in him. The only data we have on beck is that he is a journeyman 3rd stringer, which does not inspire confidence in him. It is ignorant to ignore what we know about him, as well as the trends and statistics that go along with the this knowledge. Hopefully he is an outlier, but we can only find that out once he plays.

Let's compare Shanahan to Spurrier.

Shanahan: 2 time Super Bowl winner.

Spurrier: Thought training camp served no purpose.

Shanahan: Can turn no name running backs into all-stars.

Spurrier: Had like 2 different pass protections - total. And both sucked.

Shanahan: Took a crappy QB in Jake Plummer out of a bad situation in AZ and turned him into a decent game manager.

Spurrier: Doomed Patrick Ramsey's career from the start. Now Ramsey is nothing but a journeyman, can't even settle in as a backup.

See where I'm going with this?

How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.

How many titles did Shanny win without a guy named John Elway or a team that wasn't put together by Dan Reeves and co? Plummer was just fine in AZ, just had a crap team around him. I loved those OT bomb fests between him and Gus back in '96. Plummer was just fine as a QB before Shanny took him. Cutler and Orton are Shanny's boys if you ask me, and they aren't the hottest things in the QB world. I am not knocking SHanny, but trying to make this guy out to be a some sort of coaching god is not right. He wasted Plummer, and all those hot RBs and solid Wrs he supposedly created by not getting to the big dance post Elway. In the weakest division in the NFL no less. Spurrier wanted to see if his system could work in the NFL, he was proven wrong and went back to NCAA where he belonged. Snyder was dumb for thinking it would work in the first place. Shanny was placed as HC on a loaded team that was already built for him, with a HOF QB. He was the right guy at the right time. IF Elway didn't hate Reeves, Reeves would have won two titles, not Shanny.

How many SBs did Elway loose before he won two? They were only champions when they were together...however, Shanahan still was in the playoffs a bunch.

I am all for giving Beck a fair shake and I really hope he does make me eat crow, but common sense based on historical precedent, doesn't bode well for MR. Beck. I also think that Shanny and the FO know what they are doing. They know drafting a QB this season without shoring up the O line and upgrading the WR corp with tall, physical athletes would have been a waste. We need a massive upgrade in all positions. I think Beck is just there to backup Rex and possibly get the fans excited about something in what might be a .500 type record year. For the record, I think Shanny is a very good coach, but I don't think you can use the two SB titles as an example of how good he is since that team was built already before he was HC.

I am all for giving Beck a fair shake and I really hope he does make me eat crow, but common sense based on historical precedent, doesn't bode well for MR. Beck. I also think that Shanny and the FO know what they are doing. They know drafting a QB this season without shoring up the O line and upgrading the WR corp with tall, physical athletes would have been a waste. We need a massive upgrade in all positions. I think Beck is just there to backup Rex and possibly get the fans excited about something in what might be a .500 type record year. For the record, I think Shanny is a very good coach, but I don't think you can use the two SB titles as an example of how good he is since that team was built already before he was HC.

I'm definitely not calling Shanny a coaching god, I'm simply saying he's an established coach with established credentials. He's nowhere near as bad a coach as Spurrier was. And using Beck as a way to drum up excitement for the team has to be the most asinine thing I've ever heard of. He's getting pounded on every message board, every tv station, and almost every website for his decision to go into the season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as his guys. He's staking his reputation on these guys. At least give him some benefit of the doubt. He has shown an ability to do things with lesser talent in the past.

Every NFL show every person out there is beating the hell out this kid verbally.

Mark Rypien is probably never going to the hall but he got the job done when everyone said he was garbage including Jack Kent Cooke to a point that he rolled up on Joe Gibbs and told him he screwed it up.

Im not saying he's the savior (for the record neither was campbell) I'm saying other than Joe Theisman (and I know im missing many generations of great skins players) this team's winning seasons weren't based on dynamite big name QB's hell one of them weren't even a starter in the league.

Give the Book of John (which is what alot of BYU fans refer to him as) a chance he didn't have much to win with in Miami so you can't solely fault him on that he was running for his life back there. Also Clemens, Chapell, and Grossman, all can win this job.

On a side note Did you catch Warren Sapps reaction when Joe Theisman said Beck looked alot like Brees!? Gotta say this is probably reaching but if we go 14-2 under this guy myself and a whole lotta skins fans are gonna be eating their hats and loads of crow too.

I think, just gut instinct, Rex will be our day one starter. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but if it's Beck I'll be pulling for him as I imagine all Skins fans will

Every NFL show every person out there is beating the hell out this kid verbally.

Mark Rypien is probably never going to the hall but he got the job done when everyone said he was garbage including Jack Kent Cooke to a point that he rolled up on Joe Gibbs and told him he screwed it up.

Im not saying he's the savior (for the record neither was campbell) I'm saying other than Joe Theisman (and I know im missing many generations of great skins players) this team's winning seasons weren't based on dynamite big name QB's hell one of them weren't even a starter in the league.

Give the Book of John (which is what alot of BYU fans refer to him as) a chance he didn't have much to win with in Miami so you can't solely fault him on that he was running for his life back there. Also Clemens, Chapell, and Grossman, all can win this job.

On a side note Did you catch Warren Sapps reaction when Joe Theisman said Beck looked alot like Brees!? Gotta say this is probably reaching but if we go 14-2 under this guy myself and a whole lotta skins fans are gonna be eating their hats and loads of crow too.

we're not going 14-2... 8-8 would be pretty lucky.