Haynesworth to the Patriots for a 5th rounder.

I think it's a stretch to say we blew it with Haynesworth because we traded him to New England. It's pretty simple, either you want to play ****ing football or you don't. You got your money, now suit up and shut the **** up.

I'm not a Shanahan fan but we didn't bring him here to be a shrink or to "motivate" Albert Haynesworth. He's a football coach and if Haynesworth doesn't respect the Burgundy and Gold then don't let the door hit ya on the way out big guy. I maintain he'll be pretty good in N.E., but I'm not expecting him to return to Tennessee form anytime soon, if ever.

Im tellin yall, he and his agent came here to collect that 38 or so million over the first 18 months with the specific plan to force his way out of DC after the first year and to a new team and get a new contract. No way he intended on playing the remaining years of his team friendly contract when he was 29, 30, 31.

He left more total money with tampa to sign with the skins? No way. Vinny offered an insane, never before seen front loaded contract to try and take advantage of the once in a life time no-cap year. He and his agent took vinny and the skins for a ton of loot.

What they didnt anticipate was that vinny would be fired and mike shannahan and bruce allen would be brought in. They didnt anticipate that he would be stuck in DC for 2010, they didnt anticipate that his value would take such a hit. The plan to force their way out of town took an extra year, and subsequently the tactic cost him some leverage now.

i still think he will sign a new contract with NE announced aug 4. Something small, 1 yr or more than 1 yr but incentive heavy.

38 million over the first 18 months seems so obvious to me. Take the 38 mil then move on. I would have advised the same thing.

I think he responds to attention. His line coach in Tennessee was tough on him but in exchange they essentially designed the whole defense around him. In Washington he had two coaches that were basically saying "this is how we run our defense, sure we might design a play or two for you but we'll be damned if we design the whole thing to make you happy."

I am sure that a lot of people knew this before he came to Washington, yet f'ing Vinny went ahead and gave him a ton of money. It baffles me why someone would spend so much money on a player with questionable character on a team that had a coach who probably didn't have the best job security (and was fired at the end of the season).

Belichick will make him work or will cut him (or trick the Raiders into giving them a high draft pick for him). He won't be worried AH going to a division rival or be concerned with "punishing" him, etc., etc. In the end this was a low risk high reward situation for NE, whether we like it or not.

He left more total money with tampa to sign with the skins? No way. Vinny offered an insane, never before seen front loaded contract to try and take advantage of the once in a life time no-cap year. He and his agent took vinny and the skins for a ton of loot.


Thats a heck of a gamble in 2009 to bet that the 2010 season would be uncapped. Sure it was possible at the time and even realistic but still not smart to make such a bold move.

Thats a heck of a gamble in 2009 to bet that the 2010 season would be uncapped. Sure it was possible at the time and even realistic but still not smart to make such a bold move.

Man, can you imagine if there had not been an uncapped year? We would have been up the sh*t creek without a paddle.

Thats a heck of a gamble in 2009 to bet that the 2010 season would be uncapped. Sure it was possible at the time and even realistic but still not smart to make such a bold move.

most of that 38 million was guaranteed, so whether 2010 was uncapped nor not, AH got paid. How much was that guaranteed bonus he got paid ;ast summer? 21 million in 1 check? didnt AH prmise to do whatever shanny asked right up to and when the check cleared, then he reniged on his handshake promise to shanny that he would do whatever they say if he accepted the check?

Like ruhskins pointed out, the skins, vinny and danny were the ones banking on 2010 being an uncapped year by giving AH all that money allocated to that year. Ah's money was mostly guaranteed, that was the problem with the contract vinny offereed. practically 38 million over 18 months guaranteed with the hope AH would be honorable and not bitch n moan the remaining 5 1/2 years of his team friendly contract ... during his prime years.

I agree.....I just wish we hadnt switched to the 3-4...Our defense would be extremely BEAST right now. But the 3-4 is the best defense and now that we are getting the personnel for it, Im not as bitter....was a HUGE Haynesworth fan, wish it wouldve worked out....

Well in 2009, the 10th ranked defense got us 4 wins and the 31st defense in 2010 got us 6 wins. Probably better to take our lumps in 2009. It always seemed that when the redskins were 4-3, they had a good statistical defense, Id rather have a defense that translates to wins.

Haynesworth responds only well under the Laissez-Faire leadership style.
Shanahan almost solely employs the autocratic leadership style.
It's quite clear that the incompatibility will not be fixed.

And Schneed really thinks he understands human nature, but trashes psychologists.

I trash psychologists?

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Was he a fraud in Tennessee? Even POS people like Haynesworth have motivations.

He played huge in Tennessee because he was proud and wanted money. He came here and got his money and sat back like a POS.

But now he knows, if I don't get my ass in gear for Belichick nobody in the league will take me again and I'll be done. Shanahan could have sat on him until he came around to that same conclusion here.

The only way it goes bad in New England is if they extend him and give him a huge payday. Otherwise, just keep giving him the TO non-guaranteed type deal, and he'll shred offensive lines.

We blew this big time. Shanahan's my way or the highway won out over a basic understanding of human nature.

I'm surprised you're down with letting a player dictate things over the team. AH was the perfect example of what was wrong with the Skins under Vinny and Danny's control. The classic me guy. What this team needed was a little my way or the highway type of attitude. Shanahan stepped into an even bigger mess than I think he even realized before he took the job. And as we can see he's performing a major overhaul of the roster, getting rid of the headcases and me guys, and bringing in guys that have traits such as leadership, work ethic, effort, hustle, team, etc. Everything that AH did not represent.

AH was the one that blew this by not falling in line and playing ball the way a true pro is supposed to do, and paid to do. Again I can't figure out why you're on this bum's side. I know you like to argue for the sake of arguing, but you've lost some cred points on this one with me.

For about 15 years, the nickname that Mike Shanahan has had around NFL circles is "My Way Mike". He has NEVER been a student of human nature or a man willing to meet someone even close to "halfway" when there is a difference of opinion. If you do not like "The Shanahan Solution" to a problem, then you need to go and find some other place to live/work/play where other folks will give a horse's ass about what you think or feel.

That is who he has been; that is who he is; that is who he is going to continue to be...

If that does not work for you as a fan, suck it up because that is what you will have to deal with for the next several years - - - unless Danny Boy reverts to his previously demonstrated meddling behaviors. Now that is an option Redskins' fans do not even need to contemplate...

Well this isn't really an argument in support of Shanahan's handling of Haynesworth, it's simply a "no duh, what did you expect" post.

What anyone expected Shanahan to do is not the point. The point is what should have been done. Just because everyone knows that Shanahan is always a rigid disciplinarian doesn't mean it's always the right way to handle situations.

Look back at the great Joe Gibbs. When Riggo was showing up hungover and half drunk you didn't hear Gibbs making a stink about it, even though he was regarded as being a tough discipline guy. He made exceptions, he understood human nature, and most of all he designed his system around the talents of his players and put them in position to be successful.

I don't like when a coach has a system and rigidly sticks to it. If you have a player of Albert's caliber, it seems that if you're worth your weight as a defensive mind you could find a way to use him as a havoc-wreaker. I'll bet that's what Belichick does.

Is Albert to blame here? Absolutely. I would have supported Shanahan if he benched him again this season for non-compliance. But to trade him away for a 5th round pick? I think he could have remained a rigid SOB without trading Haynesworth; eventually Albert would have decided he'd rather his legacy be one of dominance on the field rather than pouting off of it.