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Chief X_Phackter 10-23-2011, 05:40 PM I would like someone to look at what is going on with the coaching of the receivers. Is that still McCardell? You can't coach catching the ball, but it seems like the receivers are not where they are supposed to be, or at least where the quarterback thinks they are going to be - a lot. If it was one guy all the time, ok...but it seems to be systemic.
DynamiteRave 10-23-2011, 05:41 PM I would like someone to look at what is going on with the coaching of the receivers. Is that still McCardell? You can't coach catching the ball, but it seems like the receivers are not where they are supposed to be, or at least where the quarterback thinks they are going to be - a lot. If it was one guy all the time, ok...but it seems to be systemic.
Yes it is.
skinsfaninok 10-23-2011, 05:43 PM ^ it's bcuz we have no true number 1 WR my man out Corp is one of the worst in the league, AA was a one year wonder and Moss is getting old
Slingin Sammy 33 10-23-2011, 05:48 PM Someone said Cam would go to the probowl if he played against the skins 10 more times and I was just saying Cam's been tearing up everyone, so in "defense" of the defense, let's not make it seem like a magical one-time game.Actually no. He's put up big numbers, but also made critical mistakes and had a completion % at or under 60%. He's also had two 3 INT games.
What we did today was allow CAR's running game to get going and take the pressure off Cam. He wound up 18/23 with no INTs because our D couldn't force CAR out of Cam's comfort zone. Cam made a couple of nice throws, but our secondary ain't real good either and our best S in coverage DB (OJA) was out. Kudos to the CAR O-line, their OC and Cam for executing & staying within their gameplan.
Prior to this week, the CAR run game outside of Cam was nonexistent. Today we gave up 24 / 103 yds to CAR RBs. Also the 1st 25 yd run by Cam included 3 missed tackles. No excuse for the poor run D. We're over-pursuing and not closing down the cutback lane on the defensive right side (Bowen, Rak, both MLBs but moreso Rocky). This has been going on for 3 weeks now and isn't fixed.
If we get beat strictly in the air, fine I'll live with it. But good teams run and can stop the run. We can do the first part, but if we can't do the second (and nothing is showing me this is going to change) we're in for a long season....again.
Slingin Sammy 33 10-23-2011, 05:51 PM Resources? Bowen, Kerrigan, Otogwe (who was out today), and Wilson? Did I miss anyone? Otherwise it's the basically the same group from last year.Cofield & J. Jenkins (out of course)
SirClintonPortis 10-23-2011, 05:52 PM Only Hankerson. The rest of the young guys, Royster, Helu, Austin, Paul... They've actually shown that they can be consistent if not decent. I've got no beef with the other rookies. I dunno why you're on the guy's jock so bad.
Indifference is the only feeling I have when I hear Leonard Hankerson's name.
I have not even said that he was good. I haven't even said that he was certain for success. You accusing me of being "all over his jock" is ****ing bullshit.
You have already deemed Hankerson to be doomed to failure. This is equivalent to having a 0% probability of providing value to us. Therefore, he will not provide any value. T.O will be guaranteed to provide value(100% certainty). Therefore, T.O should be picked up.
I don't believe Hankerson has a 0% probability of success, more like 5-7% ish of "making it", and something .03% of becoming a superstar. Well, Hankerson's low probability of success is still higher than T.O probability of even playing 2 years from now. And FA pickups are never 100% guaranteed either. T.O very well could pull a Randy Moss in Tennessee and not do much either.
I care about good personnel strategy just as much as good personnel execution. Hankerson might indeed fail and thus he becomes an example of failed execution in personnel acquistion. But I'm willing to take a chance on him over T.O because he might provide more than T.O.
DynamiteRave 10-23-2011, 06:06 PM Indifference is the only feeling I have when I hear Leonard Hankerson's name.
I have not even said that he was good. I haven't even said that he was certain for success. You accusing me of being "all over his jock" is ****ing bullshit.
You have already deemed Hankerson to be doomed to failure. This is equivalent to having a 0% probability of providing value to us. Therefore, he will not provide any value. T.O will be guaranteed to provide value(100% certainty). Therefore, T.O should be picked up.
I don't believe Hankerson has a 0% probability of success, more like 5-7% ish of "making it", and something .03% of becoming a superstar. Well, Hankerson's low probability of success is still higher than T.O probability of even playing 2 years from now. And FA pickups are never 100% guaranteed either. T.O very well could pull a Randy Moss in Tennessee and not do much either.
I care about good personnel strategy just as much as good personnel execution. Hankerson might indeed fail and thus he becomes an example of failed execution in personnel acquistion. But I'm willing to take a chance on him over T.O because he might provide more than T.O.
You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season.
With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.
But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.
But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.
Beemnseven 10-23-2011, 06:10 PM You seem to be under the delusion that I think TO is the second coming of Jesus. But if you'd like to twist things around like that, that's fine. All I said was TO could be a short term (read SHORT TERM) band-aid and Hankerson isn't going to be anything special from what I've seen from him in college and in the pre-season.
With Gaffney, Austin, and Paul, a guy from the practice squad who's had 6 weeks to study the playbook and still run around like a chicken with his head cut off it doesn't look very promising. The odds are against Hankerson is what I've been getting at. I get that everything is a risk, some guys actually show promise. To me seeing his college tape and his pre-season tape, Hankerson doesn't.
But if you wanna fill the team in your head with a bunch of what-if's, go right ahead. This argument is ridiculous because apparently I wanna take TO and make him play for 5+ years and think he's never/hasn't dropped off. Silly me.
But for the sake of you being right and the Skins getting better, I hope Hankerson ends up the second coming of Jerry Rice.
Yeah, god forbid a rookie wide receiver step up and give us a game changing performance when we need it most. Obviously, that would be asking way too much.
DynamiteRave 10-23-2011, 06:12 PM Yeah, god forbid a rookie wide receiver step up and give us a game changing performance when we need it most. Obviously, that would be asking way too much.
Never asked him to make a game changing performance. Just show some promise. I don't know why people seem to think I wanted him to come out with 200+ yards and 3 TDs. Run routes. Catch. Basic stuff.
tryfuhl 10-23-2011, 06:20 PM An offense that can't score points, a defense that can't force turnovers... It's like Gibbs 2.0 never ended! LOL. We stink out loud.
Same old skins.. Nevermind who leads them
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