Next years QB

As for KC, I just don't see him ever losing his knack for throwing untimely interceptions - it's just part of who he is.

for what is worth, 6 of KC's 9 ints last year came when we were down by 9 points or more.

Why isn’t Kirk Cousins getting a shot to start? - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/03/23/why-isnt-kirk-cousins-getting-a-shot-to-start/)

KC can win you the game in the 4th quarter. He can be bated into throwing picks. RG is shell shocked after the 2 injuries to he lower body. In his first season I saw him look off defenders, go through progressions and find the open man. After he was hurt, he changed. became unaware in the pocket and stopped looking downfield.

My hope is that we trade for Phillip Rivers or Mike Glennon.

While Griffin is a work horse when it comes to working out and getting fit physically. I can not say the same thing when it comes to the mental part of playing QB in the NFL. Proof is in the fact he is in his 4th year (?) and he is mentally...not ready. With all that time he missed due to injuries, that you talk about, he did not come back any more prepared mentally.
I was disappointed to hear Gruden had to dummy down the playbook/game plan for Griffin. I hope he comes back better than ever. I would be ok giving him another chance in 2015 but his attitude has to change. His inflated ego could not fit through the locker room door.
The biggest thing for me is there has to be a real competition at EVERY position. No free rides please. That shit I hope is gone now that we have a new GM. I do not want to see Gruden being told who he should start at QB.
Our Head coach and GM should decide who starts, not someone else.

I agree with your whole post but you are dead wrong if you believe that the GM Hiring changes everything. It starts at the top. As long as DS is owner, he is going to tell his guys who they are playing. And if they don't like that, or they feel like maybe they should have a voice, then they took a job working for the wrong organization.

Griffin starts this year and for as long as DS is willing to pay him. And that's fact.

I agree with your whole post but you are dead wrong if you believe that the GM Hiring changes everything. It starts at the top. As long as DS is owner, he is going to tell his guys who they are playing. And if they don't like that, or they feel like maybe they should have a voice, then they took a job working for the wrong organization.

Griffin starts this year and for as long as DS is willing to pay him. And that's fact.

What proof do you have to make that a fact?

... just like he did in college. As Lotus (and others) are fond of mentioning, Cousins is, in many ways, Rex Grossman 2.0 - scary streaky. You almost can count on him to make a two gut wrenching turnovers a game.

Here's the thing for me - both KC and RGIII need to change from who they were in college and who they have been in the pros.

For RGIII, he has to transition from an entirely different way of playing the game and adapt his considerable talent to a style of play he has not only never mastered but has never really learned. IF he can dedicate himself to learning to be different from the QB he has always been, accept his NFL coaches coaching and finally put behind him all the "He's fine, his mechanics are good" enabling he gets from Tedford and Bryles, then maybe, maybe he gets his deep ball mojo back and his low turnover/sack ratio that he had back in college (look at his TD/INT ratio in college - it was insane. Yes, I know, it was a spread offense and, for the spread offense, QB's usually have very good TD/INT ratios). It is all on him - as others have said - to dedicate himself to the film room, listen to the coaches, and accept that he has to walk through an NFL offense before he run it. ---- If he can do all that, his ceiling - even in year four (the guy just turned 25 in February!) - is simply much, much higher than Kirk's.

For KC, he has to figure out how to stop throwing picks. He needs to change something in how he views the field, works his progressions, or makes his decisions. My problem is that, unlike RGIII's flaws, I just don't know that there is anything that coaching can do to change KC's basic inability to consistently avoid picks. Sure, Gruden dumbed down the offense for KC but KC's constant turnovers completely stymied Gruden:



Jay Gruden Can't Explain Kirk Cousins' Interceptions (http://fansided.com/2014/10/16/jay-gruden-doesnt-know-kirk-cousins-throws-interceptions/)

So, on one hand you have a QB currently incapable of running a pro offense and who has clearly identifiable flaws that may be fixable with solid coaching and a player dedicated to change - a trait the player has not readily demonstrated.

On the other, you have a QB who has a higher floor but is also deeply flawed. Further, it's not even clear that there is a path to fixing his flaws because he has been making the same mistakes throughout his collegiate and professional career and there is no clear, identifiable teaching/coaching point to correct them.

Quite frankly, as much as I truly hope Griffin can get it together and The Guy - I just don't know if he ever will be able to do so. As for KC, I just don't see him ever losing his knack for throwing untimely interceptions - it's just part of who he is.

Sadly a good breakdown of where we are. I am a tiny bit hopeful that actually having a full time QB Coach will move one of these two, KC/RG, up in the ranks, but right now it looks like we have only managed to do what the Redskins do so well - get stuck in 2 qb mode.

There is good news though.

And maybe some people will feel like:

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But here are 2 reasons for optimism:

(a) Scott appears to be on the right track to building a 'team' not just an offense.
There have been many performances by the offense over the past couple of seasons that could have warranted a W if not for defense and special teams.

(b) A more experienced coaching staff. I say again....a more experienced coaching staff. It was C R A Z Y to go into the season with a rookie HC, rookie OC and no QB coach. (I might make a thread later on just this 1 issue and how big of an impact it makes)

Our QBs are all works in progress and having a full-time QB coach will help them all. And its not as if our QBs are without talent all of then Griff, Kirk and Colt have proven to varying degrees that they can play in the NFL and there are current and former coaches that believe in them as starters in the NFL. (maybe its only Jay for Colt lol)

Sadly a good breakdown of where we are. I am a tiny bit hopeful that actually having a full time QB Coach will move one of these two, KC/RG, up in the ranks, but right now it looks like we have only managed to do what the Redskins do so well - get stuck in 2 qb mode.

Nothing new for us old folks: Kilmer vs. Jurgensen... each had their fans.

Nothing new for us old folks: Kilmer vs. Jurgensen... each had their fans.

That's what I'm talking about, other than Theismann, and Sammy Baugh, we live in a 2 qb/no qb world. Why is that?

...For KC, he has to figure out how to stop throwing picks. He needs to change something in how he views the field, works his progressions, or makes his decisions. My problem is that, unlike RGIII's flaws, I just don't know that there is anything that coaching can do to change KC's basic inability to consistently avoid picks.


Three QBs, First 14 games of career, per game average
QB1 - 1.0 INT, 1.4 TD, 58% comp
QB2 - 1.3 INT, 1.3 TD, 59% comp
QB3 - 1.56 INT, 1.5 TD, 56.7% comp


Cousins is certainly not elite or top tier, and is no comparison to any top QB. However, just pointing out that other QB have struggled with interceptions when they started their careers. It doesn't mean he can't fix his issues long-term with experience, esp as we eventually can give him a lead & fix our O-line/running game/etc. Also if our Defense gets better, the INTs may not hurt as much. (QB1-3 are Luck, Cousins, and Peyton Manning)

... just like he did in college. As Lotus (and others) are fond of mentioning, Cousins is, in many ways, Rex Grossman 2.0 - scary streaky. You almost can count on him to make a two gut wrenching turnovers a game.

Here's the thing for me - both KC and RGIII need to change from who they were in college and who they have been in the pros.

For RGIII, he has to transition from an entirely different way of playing the game and adapt his considerable talent to a style of play he has not only never mastered but has never really learned. IF he can dedicate himself to learning to be different from the QB he has always been, accept his NFL coaches coaching and finally put behind him all the "He's fine, his mechanics are good" enabling he gets from Tedford and Bryles, then maybe, maybe he gets his deep ball mojo back and his low turnover/sack ratio that he had back in college (look at his TD/INT ratio in college - it was insane. Yes, I know, it was a spread offense and, for the spread offense, QB's usually have very good TD/INT ratios). It is all on him - as others have said - to dedicate himself to the film room, listen to the coaches, and accept that he has to walk through an NFL offense before he run it. ---- If he can do all that, his ceiling - even in year four (the guy just turned 25 in February!) - is simply much, much higher than Kirk's.

For KC, he has to figure out how to stop throwing picks. He needs to change something in how he views the field, works his progressions, or makes his decisions. My problem is that, unlike RGIII's flaws, I just don't know that there is anything that coaching can do to change KC's basic inability to consistently avoid picks. Sure, Gruden dumbed down the offense for KC but KC's constant turnovers completely stymied Gruden:



Jay Gruden Can't Explain Kirk Cousins' Interceptions (http://fansided.com/2014/10/16/jay-gruden-doesnt-know-kirk-cousins-throws-interceptions/)

So, on one hand you have a QB currently incapable of running a pro offense and who has clearly identifiable flaws that may be fixable with solid coaching and a player dedicated to change - a trait the player has not readily demonstrated.

On the other, you have a QB who has a higher floor but is also deeply flawed. Further, it's not even clear that there is a path to fixing his flaws because he has been making the same mistakes throughout his collegiate and professional career and there is no clear, identifiable teaching/coaching point to correct them.

Quite frankly, as much as I truly hope Griffin can get it together and The Guy - I just don't know if he ever will be able to do so. As for KC, I just don't see him ever losing his knack for throwing untimely interceptions - it's just part of who he is.

Well as far as college goes, KC had a 2 to 1 int ratio in a tough conference. He threw about 1 pick per 40 attempts or so? Not bad at all. Here? He's struggled like all QB's do. Just like Andrew Luck did as well. Is he suppose to be any different?

But you may be right. He might be the kind of guy that has some ints, kind of like Romo. But he also made many plays from the pocket as well. But I'll take that guy over one who can't do the basics. Give me a guy who can throw for 30 plus Td's and between 4500 and 5,000 and maybe 17 to 20 picks, over a guy who basically can't run the regular offense.