By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

After four years you guys are ready to say this is the best we can do? Bump our heads on 9-7? If we're fully healthy all year, and things break our way, we can maybe get to 10-6.

That's what you could hope for next year. Because every year a Gruden team lays a few inexplicable eggs. Cincinatti in London. Giants Week 17 last year.

You're signing up for mediocrity. And you're also crazy.

Mid season firings never really work but Gruden should have been fired after the Saints game. The last two games only confirms that he's not HC material. His own players don't even know their assignments, and these aren't guys that are just coming off the street either.

The injuries have hurt but last week was a non competitive team that looked like they didn't want to be there, coming off a long layoff. I've never seen a defense give up 350 yards in a half in an NFL game. Last week's effort was inexcusable, just like the Saints game was.

The saints game was it for me, the fact that we had a chance to make a playoff run even with the injuries, BUT you as a team choke away a 15 PT lead with 4 mins left...

Then the HC says "I just don't understand" or "we have to find ways to win" That to me shows he's in over his head, I'm not saying he's a shit coach but he isn't HC material.

Also the year we went 9-7 and won the pathetic east, we had NO big time injuries, Jordan Reed was a monster and Romo got injured early on or else Dallas probably would have won it that yr.

Jay is 26-34 as a HC, that isn't terrible but it isn't good either.

He is what his record says he is, very rarely do you see guys turn it around and become great head coaches. BB doesn't count.

Sean Mcvay has turned a complete 180 around in LA, that team was horrible for the last 10 plus years, he comes in and proves hes one of the next big time coaches in the NFL.

Same as Doug P, look at what he has done in Philly.

Hell even Jason Garrett who most Dallas fans want gone every yr has a winning record.

Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.

Complete and utter incompetency in 2-minute situations.

He can design a passing game, I'll give him that. But that qualifies you for offensive coordinator, not head coach.

Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.

He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams

This team isn't healthier. You can tell by how gassed the defense gets after one half of a football game. That comes from having nobody to rotate in. The offense isn't healthier. We have one running back. Half of the offensive line out on IR, and the guys playing are all playing hurt. Our back ups to the backups to the other backups continue to get hurt. Our best receiver is Ryan Grant. He shouldn't be anywhere near a starting lineup. How Gruden was able to keep this team competitive up until the last two weeks has been nothing short of amazing. He's literally fielding a team of third stringers and practice squad guys. Kirk Cousins has been the only constant starter throughout the season.

Gruden is playing with a deck stacked against him but I feel he is responsible for stacking the deck. During his tenure it is pretty obvious the Redskins are on the wrong end of the injury reports, it is starting to become more than coincidence, something isn't right. What it is I do not know, but it appears to be more than just bad luck.

He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams

I got an idea. Let's call three consecutive fades.

To be fair, they've gotten a bit better this year. Cousins has improved in his ability to extend plays.

But the tendency to use Cousins as a runner around the goalline is scary. It's going to get him hurt. Those read option calls can be effective but I feel like Jay uses them as a crutch.

Doc is a good option down there but we just don't have the weapons right now. His calls in crucial situations are what kills me, the fact that we are like 30% on 3rd and short is unreal.

Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.

Because Gruden doesn't have the power to hire his defensive coordinator. Bruce Allen does all the hiring and firing. He may have Gruden involved in the interview process, but Allen ultimately decides who he wants in there coaching. That is all on Bruce Allen, NOT on Jay Gruden.