The everything Gruden thread

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Trent isn't the problem.

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

Then why are we talking about him at all?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Then why are we talking about him at all?

He is implying that it is Gruden's fault that Trent is playing hurt and not doing as well as he has the past two years under Mike.

[Alvin Walton]

My beer is flat @#$+*#!{} Gruden!

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

You really couldn't be more wrong about Trent. That dude is a baller, been playing hurt all year in games that mean nothing, still gives everything he has for this team.

And what if the Redskins can't find any better with regards to head coach? You honestly think guys are jumping at the idea of coming to coach this team? Especially now that it looks like we are back to square one at the QB position. Gotta get back to reality man, this team flat out sucks. We fall flat on our face week in and week out. The skins are 3-17 over their last 20 games with two different head coaches, and 3 different QB's. That's not a sign of bad coaching, it's a sign of a poorly run franchise. I really don't think firing Gruden after one season helps us in anyway.

You bring up a good point about coaching candidates. Maybe looking at Grudens class is helpful? Cleveland, Detroit, Houston, Tampa all got new coaches along with DC. The only team with elite talent is Detroit, but every team improved a lot record wise with Tampa an exception. Though they just kicked Grudens teeth in lol. He was the worst hire. Why can't we do better?? That's really what I'm asking, every season quality HC talent is available, why do we have to end up with a loser who's totally over his head. It's zorn.2 but y'all don't want to accept it yet.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Then why are we talking about him at all?

Because he's one of several offensive players who've regressed playing for Gruden. This is Trent's worst year as a pro, is that not obvious to everyone??

His bad year is a symptom of the problem, that's what I'm saying. When your probowl LT is causing penalties left and right, allowing sacks on the QB and looks out of shape and generally sloppy there's a major problem with team leadership. If not the HC, who do you look at??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Because he's one of several offensive players who've regressed playing for Gruden. This is Trent's worst year as a pro, is that not obvious to everyone??

His bad year is a symptom of the problem, that's what I'm saying. When your probowl LT is causing penalties left and right, allowing sacks on the QB and looks out of shape and generally sloppy there's a major problem with team leadership. If not the HC, who do you look at??

He's been dinged up most of the year. I think that's his main issue not the HC. Probably a dozen better reasons you could have pointed out IMO.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

He's been dinged up most of the year. I think that's his main issue not the HC. Probably a dozen better reasons you could have pointed out IMO.

Reasons why key players have obviously regressed that don't fall on the offensive HC, let's hear em??

[Rotten1980]

We're all on the same page, Gruden doesnt "do" defense and this is his offense, yes??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Reasons why key players have obviously regressed that don't fall on the offensive HC, let's hear em??

Have we really regressed though? Last year the offense was ranked 23rd in points and 9th in yards. This year we're 22nd and 11th. Mostly the same players, slightly different schemes, same results. Again heading for a top 3 pick.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by rotten1980

reasons why key players have obviously regressed that don't fall on the offensive hc, let's hear em??

Injury. Trent Williams is hurt. Has been hurt. Continues to play hurt.

He was limping today. There were a couple of plays where everyone thought he was coming out of the game.

The espn 980 broadcast with Larry, Chris and Sonny mentioned this a couple of times as well as his limping after plays.

At 7:30 in the 3rd, the fat, slow, injured guy that hasn't bought in was chasing the fumble recovery like a banshee. He outran three guys standing next to him to try to stop the touchdown.

Pick on somebody else. He probably shouldn't be playing hurt in meaningless games but like others have said, he is an absolute baller.

SO, the pain in his swollen, gimpy knee that he doctors and rehabs through the week so he can come play left tackle for us on Sundays is a reason other than the head coach why his play has regressed.

Geez.

[Bucket]

I cant really blame Gruden. He needs to be accountable for some things, but it's the same staff, same players just about. Same outcome..

Something else needs to change up top, or their direction needs to be different.

I do know that McCoy got murdered today as well, and still put up over 350+ yards with 3 TD's.

Defense is banged up beyond belief right now.

I don't think Gruden deserves all the blame here.

We also have to remember that McCoy has had 12 days of reps with the first team offense. If he had more, maybe he comes out faster when we get thoe two turnovers? Who the fuck knows..

I do know that we have some good building blocks, but it only takes one to two bad blocks to have the whole thing crumbling down.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Have we really regressed though? Last year the offense was ranked 23rd in points and 9th in yards. This year we're 22nd and 11th. Mostly the same players, slightly different schemes, same results. Again heading for a top 3 pick.

Added a truly elite WR to get the same overall results. The only way that makes sense is if other key players regress.

I guess we could just keep adding talent to Grudens offense to get better results, but isn't that what Cincy did?? Elite oline. Best WR in pro football with other weapons and a solid game manager in Dalton, but Cincy's offense still withered in big games. Plus that team had a truly elite defense that put Grudens offense in position to win games.

I just don't get it, why Gruden if not for the old boys connection like someone else said here? That connection got him a fair shot, he's done nothing with it. It's not personal, but there's quality HCs out there every year who get results.

[Evilgrin]

Should be renamed the Snyder thread. Snyder hires BA, Snyder doesn't invest in scouting. Snyder created special rules for Griffin. It's like going after the dealer on the street, and constantly ignoring where the supply comes from. The players made dozens of mental mistakes today. Some of that is coaching(still his fault), but some of it is just picking better players.

[Alvin Walton]

Seriously???? Some of you guys are bashing Silverback?
The rest of the O line is playing like Schmuckville College Division 9 and you single out Trent????
WTF???