No Matter What, At Least We're Not Doing This...

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Quinn is probably their best QB right now, rookie struggles to be expected and all, but in the long it really doesn't matter who they put in. 3rd year Anderson, 3rd year Frye, and rookie Quinn are all barely above replacement level.

I have Cleveland winning 8 games this year, but certainly not behind their offense.

8? Wow. Have they really improved that much on D? Last year all they effectively did on that side of the ball was look like us last year; awful. Maybe I'm underrating them. Then again, I dont think the Lions will win 8 games next year. They MIGHT put up a lot of points and make some FF owners happy, but they wont win games. Their lines on both sides of the ball are atrocious at best.

Overall, starting Quinn wouldnt be a bad idea. I think they agree that he IS their future so, might as well get him in there now. But you could make an argument for sitting him as well. All depends.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

8? Wow. Have they really improved that much on D? Last year all they effectively did on that side of the ball was look like us last year; awful. Maybe I'm underrating them. Then again, I dont think the Lions will win 8 games next year. They MIGHT put up a lot of points and make some FF owners happy, but they wont win games. Their lines on both sides of the ball are atrocious at best.

Overall, starting Quinn wouldnt be a bad idea. I think they agree that he IS their future so, might as well get him in there now. But you could make an argument for sitting him as well. All depends.

They do have some offensive talent. Not in the offensive backfield, but enough to be competant.

I do think pretty highly of their defense this year. Leigh Bodden is a great corner. Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson quietly had great rookie years. I think they will take the next step.

But the main reason I say 8 and not 7 or 6 is because of a soft out-of-division schedule. NFC West for starters, and a 4th place divisional schedule, giving them Houston, Oakland, and Miami. They will win more games than those 3 teams.

I see playoffs for them next season (2008), when Quinn begins to look like the Carson Palmer of 2004.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They do have some offensive talent. Not in the offensive backfield, but enough to be competant.

I do think pretty highly of their defense this year. Leigh Bodden is a great corner. Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson quietly had great rookie years. I think they will take the next step.

But the main reason I say 8 and not 7 or 6 is because of a soft out-of-division schedule. NFC West for starters, and a 4th place divisional schedule, giving them Houston, Oakland, and Miami. They will win more games than those 3 teams.

I see playoffs for them next season.

1) I like the Browns, and secrectly, I root for them because they are ALWAYS heavy underdogs ( a la' Redskins ) so, I feel for them. Now, I may root for them, but I dont keep track of their players as much as I do 'Skins players. I know that when Kellen Winslow is healthy he is a BIG factor as is that WR they have whose name I cant remember because I'm a little drunk. Other than those two, I know nada so, I'll kind of have to take your word for it there.

2) Duh! I make am opinion about a team quicker than I should have. Didnt even check out their schedule for this year. Oak, Mia, and Hou are all quite winnable games for the Browns, barring a breakdown. I like Houston the best out of the 3 for some f-ed up reason. They are my sleeper pick to have a decent year. I believe the Texans could win 7-8 games next year, but that is sheerly based on my liking of Matt Schaub and my thinking that their D wont suck forever if they keep pumping 1st round picks into it.

Playoffs possible for Browns. We will have to see! :-)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

2) Duh! I make am opinion about a team quicker than I should have. Didnt even check out their schedule for this year. Oak, Mia, and Hou are all quite winnable games for the Browns, barring a breakdown. I like Houston the best out of the 3 for some f-ed up reason. They are my sleeper pick to have a decent year. I believe the Texans could win 7-8 games next year, but that is sheerly based on my liking of Matt Schaub and my thinking that their D wont suck forever if they keep pumping 1st round picks into it.

Houston is going to be very good very soon. They have picked up some great defensive linemen over the past two seasons. Schaub is going to be very good probably as soon as this year. Ahman Green is not the answer at RB, but that is a big upgrade over last year. They don't have enough pieces in the secondary to make that defensive jump just yet, but I have them down for 7 wins, and that jump will happen, sooner rather than later.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Houston is going to be very good very soon. They have picked up some great defensive linemen over the past two seasons. Schaub is going to be very good probably as soon as this year. Ahman Green is not the answer at RB, but that is a big upgrade over last year. They don't have enough pieces in the secondary to make that defensive jump just yet, but I have them down for 7 wins, and that jump will happen, sooner rather than later.

I agree wholly. Ahman Green is DEF not their answer at RB but, like you said, he is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade at RB. Now, if they could get some good O-Linemen they might ACTUALLY be able to run the ball. LOL.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Houston is going to be very good very soon. They have picked up some great defensive linemen over the past two seasons. Schaub is going to be very good probably as soon as this year. Ahman Green is not the answer at RB, but that is a big upgrade over last year. They don't have enough pieces in the secondary to make that defensive jump just yet, but I have them down for 7 wins, and that jump will happen, sooner rather than later.

What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by jsarno

What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.

When I went to look up his stats, I couldn't find him...football reference has him down as Dominack Williams...when did he change his name?
Domanick Williams statistics - pro-football-reference.com

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.

See? GM material!

Honestly, I really don't know. Dominick Davis was the perfectly average NFL back for the longest time. Then he became Dominick Williams and apparently lost the ability to be famous.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

See? GM material!

Honestly, I really don't know. Dominick Davis was the perfectly average NFL back for the longest time. Then he became Dominick Williams and apparently lost the ability to be famous.

Well, i thought he was above average for being on a team with a horrible line. His rookie year he had 8 tds, and 1382 all purpose yards. 04 he had 14 tds, 1776 all purpose yards. (he also ranked tied for 4th in rushing tds and tied for 5th in yards from scrimmage in 04 which is huge for a guy on a talentless team). Injuries hurt his 05 season, but he did have 6 tds and 1313 all purpose yards in only 11 games. (that means he would have averaged out to 1420 rushing yards that year if he stayed healthy)
To me, his numbers reflected an above average guy, in fact a top 10 rb talent. I am assuming he had an injury he couldn't recover from, but that's just a guess.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

See? GM material!

You find us a job in the NFL, and I'm there man!

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by jsarno

What the hell happened to Dominack Davis? He was a stud there for a little while, then fell of the planet.

he got injured. i think he tore up his knee

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Houston is going to be very good very soon. They have picked up some great defensive linemen over the past two seasons. Schaub is going to be very good probably as soon as this year. Ahman Green is not the answer at RB, but that is a big upgrade over last year. They don't have enough pieces in the secondary to make that defensive jump just yet, but I have them down for 7 wins, and that jump will happen, sooner rather than later.

Really? Their o-line has been, is, and will continue to be a disaster. Andre Johnson is their only real weapon on offense. I have no idea why Schaub is getting so much hype when he's appeared in what, 3 games? I don't see their franchise turning around anytime soon.

[Cowell]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

1)

Playoffs possible for Browns. We will have to see! :-)

Um, that is a bit of a drastic statement I predict the Browns will go 4-12 / 5-11. And I have a feeling the Texans will be fairly decent this year.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Cowell

Um, that is a bit of a drastic statement I predict the Browns will go 4-12 / 5-11. And I have a feeling the Texans will be fairly decent this year.

Hmmmm...Maybe I'm not the ONLY person who thinks the Texans cant SUCK forever.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

They do have some offensive talent. Not in the offensive backfield, but enough to be competant.

I do think pretty highly of their defense this year. Leigh Bodden is a great corner. Kamerion Wimbley and D'Qwell Jackson quietly had great rookie years. I think they will take the next step.

But the main reason I say 8 and not 7 or 6 is because of a soft out-of-division schedule. NFC West for starters, and a 4th place divisional schedule, giving them Houston, Oakland, and Miami. They will win more games than those 3 teams.

I see playoffs for them next season (2008), when Quinn begins to look like the Carson Palmer of 2004.

Don't forget SS Sean Jones on that D of theirs, I think he is going to become one of the elite safeties in the league in a few years, but anyways I think Brady Quinn is going to be absolutely horrible in the NFL, and I think the Browns have a better chance at winning with Frye and Anderson starting over Quinn.