Good for Campbell

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

Dude honestly? I give examples all day but you all just say no he didn't and the o line was bad and you all are geniuses. It truly is pointless. His play will do all the talking but you all will find an excuse for that as well. He is as indecisive a QB as I have seen in a long time. Take away last year, which is bad for you all because you take away his best year TD wise. But what do you have left ?

I can't use the '07 season as an example because you all will say that it doesn't count because Todd Collins who had to play behind the same O-Line and use the same receivers that couldn't play well and led this team to the playoffs when we were running away from playoff contention. Why ? Because you all will say that it was just because Todd Collins was in Al Saunders' system forever. Cool. Even though we had to defeat the Vikings, Giants, Cowboys, and Bears all four teams had pretty damn good defenses that year but it wouldn't fly though would it ?

I can't use his first year with Zorn because you all will just say that he was good early in the year and that Ron Jaworski said that Campbell played well. But you will forget how Jaworski ripped JC and his fololowers about JC not having time. But you all would've probably missed that game.

For some reason I am the only guy here who saw JC miss recievers time and time again on deep routes. Whether it was a deep post, a deep out, a fly, or even a fade that he threw put pf bounds consistently buuuut I'm sure that would be the receivers fault.

Or how about the line adjustments that he wouldn't quite do ? I mean lets be real people. You all talked about how he wasn't allowed to audible because he was being held back by the administration but he told Matt Mosley that he checked from a pass to a run on a 3 and 8 against the Giants because he forgot the down and distance.

You can look back at the games and see where he misses receivers or waits too long to pull the trigger. When has he wowed you as a fan ? When did you ever look at him and say damn he's good ? I'm sure that you probably left many games saying If he only, or He was that close. Hold on to that New Orleans game because that was the only time that he showed a glimmer of brilliance in my opinion. You tell me when he pointed out a blitz, or when he made you feel like he was special. But what the hell do I know ?

I'm sure some of you play Madden and if you can figure out that sometimes you need to change a protection to survive,.. Why can't he ?

Have your fun loving him and his subpar play. Like I've always said, UNTIL he changes his game he will be what he is. Middle of the pack and apparently we as Redskins fans believe that middle of the pack can work because waaaaaaaaay back in the day we were able to win without the best QB's in the league. The man NEVER had to compete for his job, and only when he was told that he would be replaced did he decide to start becoming a leader on this team. So GTripp maybe this isn't good enough but you all kill me with the way that you all defend him.. You can be so critical of everyone elses play but this guy,...this guy gets a pass. But why ?

He's a Raider and I'm officially done talking about him here. I'll save it for another area where I can talk and see the look in someones eyes when they realize that ot's not just hate, but the fact that I'm a fan of this team who wasn't willing to settle for subpar play at the most important position in all of sports.

Jason Campbell is a bum and I'm done talking about him.

Have fun with this.

I agree with you that pre-taking a stance on Jason Campbell and trying to fit the evidence to your position is pointless, but that's about all we agree on.

When you (or anyone) take four Todd Collins starts from 2007 and tries to make a conclusive statement from a couple of good games (and a not-great playoff game), it's hard to take such an apples to oranges comparison seriously. If, and only if, the idea is to suggest that Collins would won more games in the 2007 season than Jason Campbell given a whole season, the position is defensible, but still weak. You probably want more than two well played games to make a claim stronger than just a man's opinion. But, I really don't think that your claim is, "Jason Campbell wasn't our best QB in 2007." I think you are trying to take evidence from 2007, and make a definitive comment about Campbell as a player

But you can't take that comparison any further, as things were different when Gibbs left. Collins didn't play at all in 2008, and when he played in 2009 (particularly the KC game), he was poor. I will never knock Todd Collins' approach to the game, as he always came off the bench ready to make a difference (at least until his first hit), but if anything, 2009 proves 2007 to be at least something of a fluke.

More to the point, you ignore that Gibbs, Saunders, and Zorn all call their protection in their plays. Your boy Collins never changed the protection at the line either. A lot of NFL offenses do rely on the quarterbacks to set their protections, which I imagine is something we'll see tonight from Shanahan/McNabb. But the fact that it hasn't ever been part of the offense in Washington isn't a discredit to the quarterback's aptitude, but a preference of the offensive coach.

There's film evidence of Campbell misreading the coverage, missing open receivers, and not giving plays a chance to develop. There's just as much, if not more, film evidence of him doing a good job in the presnap phase, making fast reads, getting to third and fourth receivers, and making great throw under pressure (he's a top ten quarterback, statistically, under pressure).

I don't expect you to understand and be able to analyze QB play, but it'd be nice if you wouldn't appeal to your own ability to do so, which is unquestionably lacking.

Your "me against the world" routine is overtly feminine and tiresome. You're not the only person who posts here who thought Jason Campbell left a lot to be desired as a pro quarterback. You may be the only one who thinks that their own opinion is important enough that everyone else must be lacking your attention to detail to arrive at the same conclusion you were able to, but that doesn't mean there aren't people who agree with you. There are also numerous people who disagree with you and provide much stronger evidence to support their claims, which makes you respond with something usually classless and absent of reasoning.

Your continued obsession with Campbell, even as you state that he's not "your" problem anymore (as if he ever was), adds very little to this forum.