V. Jackson "Prepared to Sit out season"

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Maybe I am unsure as to what you are really trying to say, because it's common knowledge that they moved Eddie Royal around all season and he was extremely ineffective.



Sorry, you are incorrect again sir. He was 5th in 07 in catches, 3rd in 08 and 3rd in 09. He was 6th in 07 in rec. yards, and 7th in 08. He was also 7th in rec tds last year. He was 7th in 07, and 6th in 08 in rec yards per game. He aso ranked 9th in 07 and 9th in 08 in yards per touch. (ps- a wr does not have to be explosive to be effective, nor does YPC truly show explosiveness. Example: Welker has a 10.9 career YPC, and 10.7 with the patriots...last year he had only an 11.0 ypc, while Marshall had a 11.1 last year and a 12.3 for his career...so according to your theory, Marshall is more explosive than Welker? Obviously that would not be the case, just showing the hole in your thoughts.)



Just an FYI, his YPC was 12.83 with Shanny, 11.1 with McDaniels.



I will not argue his maturity level, but that doesn't make him any less effective on the field. I think you are ranking him so low because of your distain for his attitude.

There's no hole dude, Marshall is more explosive than Wes Welker. He, in a similar role, proved to be a bit more dangerous after the catch than Welker. Welker also catches a higher % of the passes thrown to him and converts more first downs than Marshall. He's a better player than Marshall, who I believe was more explosive as demonstrated by yards per catch.

And I still don't know where Wes Welker would rank in NFL receiver hierarchy. He's the best player in the history of the slot receiver position, but that's not exactly a premium position -- it's usually the most replaceable receiver. You can only put a corner on that spot by being in a 5 DB package, and usually, that corner is a reserve with little help. It's a tough position for a defense to take away, which is why so many guys are so successful there (though none as successful as Welker). Heck, Randle El had two GREAT years in the slot for us, but we figured we could do better than him.

Marshall had his best year in 2009, by most measures (TD's and TD per pass particularly), so while you bring a good point that Shanahan used him as more of an explosive downfield player than McD did, I could argue that McDaniels used him to the best of his abilities. And then, with Eddie Royal in the fold, that was deemed to be a fairly replaceable contribution.

You are correct on the explosive vs. effective thing, but Marshall has never been really effective in his career. He was used differently under two different coaches, with a similar aggregate result.

Catches aren't anyone's idea of a value stat, see: Mike Furrey, 2006. Or for some more circular logic, any Brandon Marshall season. Yards per touch is a lot better for a value metric: yards are necessarily contested at least, unlike catches. But yards per touch is just yards per catch (which we've been using) without rushing attempts. At that point, you're combining things just to combine things to change results.