Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

Well as for the "losing" the locker room...I don't really care because I would like to "lose" about half of that locker room. I am still behind Shanny and him and Allen will be here longer then most of the players currently on the team.

Amen brother. Preach on.

[skinsfaninok]

Chad Henne: Career Stats at NFL.com

Carson Palmer: Career Stats at NFL.com

Kyle Orton: Career Stats at NFL.com

Vince Young: Career Stats at NFL.com

Ryan Fitzpatrick: Career Stats at NFL.com

Henne has more INTs than TDs in his 2 seasons as a starter, NOT GOOD.

Orton has been pretty good for 3 straight seasons now.

Palmer is done

VY is a Drama Queen and can't handle the heat.

Fitz is having a Miracle season IMO

[MTK]

A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Henne has more INTs than TDs in his 2 seasons as a starter, NOT GOOD.

Orton has been pretty good for 3 straight seasons now.

Palmer is done

VY is a Drama Queen and can't handle the heat.

Fitz is having a Miracle season IMO

Bronco's would be stupid to let Orton go. I agree on Palmer, just goes to show you that the QB is exponentially more important than the receivers. If you thought the McNabb benching was bad wait till Shanny benches Young. Fitzpatrick plays in a system that tends to inflate a QB's numbers. Just ask Tyler Thigpen when he played for Gailey in KC.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Bronco's would be stupid to let Orton go. I agree on Palmer, just goes to show you that the QB is exponentially more important than the receivers. If you thought the McNabb benching was bad wait till Shanny benches Young. Fitzpatrick plays in a system that tends to inflate a QB's numbers. Just ask Tyler Thigpen when he played for Gailey in KC.

I would Love to get Orton, IDK why other folks on here haven't said the same thing, hes tall has a good arm and is accurate.. Please NO Vince Young in WSH!!! As for Denver, they do have Tebow and Quinn.. Don't be shocked if Orton walks this offseason. I think his overall record as a starter is something like 29-19 or something like that, I remember seeing that stat watching a Denver game this season.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I would Love to get Orton, IDK why other folks on here haven't said the same thing, hes tall has a good arm and is accurate.. Please NO Vince Young in WSH!!! As for Denver, they do have Tebow and Quinn.. Don't be shocked if Orton walks this offseason. I think his overall record as a starter is something like 29-19 or something like that, I remember seeing that stat watching a Denver game this season.

I'd be interested in seeing what Orton gets as a Free Agent.

On another note we better pray that Andrew Luck ends up in the AFC. It's already a pain knowing we're going to have to deal with the likes of Ryan and Bradford for the next 10 to 15 years. I'd hate to throw Luck into that mix as well. I mean who is going to pass up an accurate strong arm QB with an ideal build that works hard and plays well in high pressure situations.

Originally Posted by Giantone

Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".

I disagree about the run game. When Torrain has been healthy the running game has been great. Take Torrains ypg over 16 games you have a guy that rushes for 1,286 yards. The problem has been that Torrain has been hurt way to much and the team lacks depth at RB. Another year or two of looking for diamonds in the rough and the Skins could easily find their own version of Ward-Bradshaw-Jacobs.

The problem with the running game has more to do with the fact that the Skins can't convert 3rd downs through the air to save their life which leads to many drives being cut short and many rushing attempts vanishing into thin air.

Portis, Williams, and Torrain all have averaged at least 4 yards per carry. If the team had been better able to sustain drives through third down conversions the yardage numbers would be higher.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

....not after this move.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Matty , do you really believe that?Look I dislike the guy but he had no run game his recivers were dropping balls left and right and the O line was non exsistant, add in injuries from getting nailed in the pocket 20 times a game and I would admit not a great season but I can't see saying he played his way out of the job.

Mike Wilbon on PTI was going off about this ...he thinks "Kyle needs to go ...maybe even both of them".

He hasn't played well and has been very inconsistent. Not all his fault but still, a lot of it is. He's been horrible on 3rd downs and has thrown too many head scratching INTs.

[skinsfaninok]

@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

@giantone: wilbon is just saying this because Mcnabb is from Chicago and that's his boy. I've always been a Mcnabb fan but in all fairness he hasn't played that good this season, in fact JC had better numbers last year than 5 does this yr. Either way you look at it, MS thought Mcnabb would be a great fit for 2-3 years and it's not going to happen. Might as well get it over with now, keep him healthy and trade him to Arz for steve breaston, that's what I would do.

JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.

[Defensewins]

Shanahan can do whatever he wants...he is the coach.
We are wrapping up yet another frustrating season with very little positive to show on the on the field at the moment. Everyone has to share in the blame, the players, coaching staff, front office and owner.
It seems like the players are the easiest obvious target and Shanahan is leading them to slaughter with very little support or back up. What a terrible leader of men Shanahan is proving to be in 2010.
It is a real shame and lacking in class and team unity to have a respected and classy player like Mcnabb be treated like this. All of the leaks in the press! Shanhan's locker room has more leaks to the press than any I have seen. We found out about McNabb being benched last week in the press. Shanahan, your are proving to be a major pussy and spineless bitch.
Even if most of these players are not yours, you should as the HEAD COACH of the Washington Redskins and as a man stand next to your less than talented players in these difficult times. For it is in the most difficult times that men show what they are made of.....You Shanahan are proving to be a selfish, spineless weasel.
Message from Shanhan to his team, "Most of you will be gone next year and i will be here."

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

JC's numbers were inflated thanks his Captain Checkdown status. His inability to convert in the red zone has been a killer not all to different from McNabb's inability to convert countless short field opportunities provided by the defense and kick return units.

If I remember correctly we now have 10 of 11 games were the offense has been able to score more then 20 points, though Gano is kind of at fault for the inability to meet the 20 point threshold against Tampa.

How does checking down inflate numbers? Completion percentage, perhaps, but if it's actually inflating TDs and yards while lowering INTs, that's called "offense."

Completion percentage without yards or TDs is meaningless, for sure, but if the defense is actually sitting on check downs, it's hella hard to complete those short passes.

I'd actually argue that McNabb has layed out more backs and receivers on ill-advised dumpoffs this year than Campbell ever did. That's the issue with checking down (when it gets your receivers killed), not when you get 7 yards on 2nd and 12.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

A lot of these guys won't be back anyway, and deep down they have to know that DM basically played his way out of the job.

I think this talk of MS losing the locker room is a bit overblown.

I have to agree with this. DM did not to him self any favors he missed Cooley on that easy TD. Throwing in the dirt and their seems to be no since of urgency.

Even though I have not agreed with Shanny on his handling of some things he made a lot of since in his press confrence today. I rather us be focusing forward and getting the evaluations started now.

On Shanny losing the looker room that will blow over as long as he really is be honest to them behind close doors. They will always respect him.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

On another note we better pray that Andrew Luck ends up in the AFC. It's already a pain knowing we're going to have to deal with the likes of Ryan and Bradford for the next 10 to 15 years. I'd hate to throw Luck into that mix as well. I mean who is going to pass up an accurate strong arm QB with an ideal build that works hard and plays well in high pressure situations.

Well, the AFC drafted Manning, Brady, Rivers, and Brees, all the quarterbacks who dominated this decade, and we still couldn't win. Maybe we should not worry about where Andrew Luck ends up and try to actually get better as a team.

There was once a time where Matt Hasselbeck was the premier QB in the NFC, and the next best was...either Jake Delhomme or Mark Brunell. For serious.