djnemo65
05-13-2008, 10:09 PM
Let's not forget that Obama only needs to carry Kerry's states plus Ohio to win. For all the talk of Dean's 50 state strategy at the end of the day the dems will know where to campaign.
Should Hillary Hang It Up?djnemo65 05-13-2008, 10:09 PM Let's not forget that Obama only needs to carry Kerry's states plus Ohio to win. For all the talk of Dean's 50 state strategy at the end of the day the dems will know where to campaign. saden1 05-13-2008, 10:12 PM My point is how can he be losing to her by 20 points anywhere when everyone knows he's going to win. It's like betting on the loser of the game after you know the score. It speaks to a deep-seated dissatisfaction with Obama as the candidate in many circles. This can be exploited by Republicans very easily. There are entire demographics where he has almost no support and those are voters the Dermocrats need to reach out to. People keep talking about all the new people Obama is bringing in but his supporters (blacks, college professors, homosexuals, labor unions, vegans, pot devotees, the tattoos and piercings set, single white guys trying to impress this girl they like who is really into politics, etc) are all people who vote Democratic all the time anyway. He may have made these people more enthusiastic and they are not embarrased by him the way they were of say, Dukakis, but it's the same old people. And, any Democrat should be trouncing any Republican this year, yet the polls are quite close, and I have not seen one that shows Obama's support at greater than 50%. I was also interested to see that BHO has thrown all the people that defended his choice not to wear an American Flag lapel pin under the bus, by choosing to wear an American Flag lapel pin. Of course, throwing people under the bus is like taking out the garbage for this guy. He does it every Tuesday. You really need to stop hanging out with John Rocker. dmek25 05-14-2008, 06:08 AM 70, do you rally believe that stuff? or are you just trying to liven things up? right now, there are republicans that would vote for H. R. Puffin-stuff, if he were their nominee. maybe once in a while you should try thinking outside the box. is this country really in better shape after 8 years of Bush? because i would be willing to bet you voted for him twice. whoever wins this general election has one helluva of a mess to clean up. do we really need someone who agrees with what has been going on in this country for the last 30 years, or someone who seems to want to try something new? that is pretty much how this election boils down saden1 05-14-2008, 10:00 AM Republicans got murdered (http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0508/Childers_wins_Miss_special_election.html) in 3 recent special elections in heavily republican districts the GOP held for decades. The GOP is going to get clobbered come November and anyone that doesn't think so is delusional. The jig is up! onlydarksets 05-14-2008, 10:23 AM Sorry, saden, but thinking that anything in politics is a sure thing is delusional. I hope you are right, though, and I will happily eat crow on this one. saden1 05-14-2008, 10:34 AM Sorry, saden, but thinking that anything in politics is a sure thing is delusional. I hope you are right, though, and I will happily eat crow on this one. Nothing is one hundred percent certain but somethings are more certain than others specially when backed by trends and facts (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues/trust_on_issues). All indications are similar to what happened in '94 to democrats and in '06 to the republicans (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/). The dipshit in Mississippi ran on the following platform and got clobbered by 8 points. I love it. zv4qFO2eEJY SC Skins Fan 05-14-2008, 10:49 AM 70, do you rally believe that stuff? or are you just trying to liven things up? right now, there are republicans that would vote for H. R. Puffin-stuff, if he were their nominee. maybe once in a while you should try thinking outside the box. is this country really in better shape after 8 years of Bush? because i would be willing to bet you voted for him twice. whoever wins this general election has one helluva of a mess to clean up. do we really need someone who agrees with what has been going on in this country for the last 30 years, or someone who seems to want to try something new? that is pretty much how this election boils down Dmek you're such a tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, volvo-driving, New York Times-reading, body-piercing, Hollywood-loving left-wing freak show. Hold on, I have to go watch Sean Hannity. (Hopefully the sarcasm here is evident, but you never know). K4-vEwD_7Hk Sheriff Gonna Getcha 05-14-2008, 10:55 AM There are entire demographics where he has almost no support and those are voters the Dermocrats need to reach out to. People keep talking about all the new people Obama is bringing in but his supporters (blacks, college professors, homosexuals, labor unions, vegans, pot devotees, the tattoos and piercings set, single white guys trying to impress this girl they like who is really into politics, etc) are all people who vote Democratic all the time anyway. He may have made these people more enthusiastic and they are not embarrased by him the way they were of say, Dukakis, but it's the same old people. You can't honestly believe that Obama is comparable to Dukakis and that his appeal is limited to the fringes. I've looked at the polls and, yes, Obama has not found broad support among lower income people, the less educated, and the elderly. But I think you would be mistaken to think that Obama is just a fringe Dem. Obama is quite popular among independents like myself. I think when the general election rolls around you will be quite surprised with just how popular Obama is. GTripp0012 05-14-2008, 11:20 AM someone who agrees with what has been going on in this country for the last 30 years, or someone who seems to want to try something new?Is this really a legitimate classification of everyone in the United States? 1) People who agree with the last 30 years 2) People who want to try something new. Can't we be somewhere in between (like, say, McCain)? What is the world coming to? Monkeydad 05-14-2008, 11:24 AM So people who don't vote for Obama are racist. I'm sure we'll all get a bellyful of this logic between now and November. Also, it wasn't the Clintons that declared Bill Clinton to be the first black president, it was Toni Morrison. If Black America has a problem with him now, they only have themselves to blame. They were the backbone of his support and if not for them he would have surely been driven from office in disgrace and we would all have been rid of him. Completely agreed. Those accusations are asinine. IF someone votes for or against Obama simply because he's black, that's not racist, it's just ignorant and stupid. IF someone votes for or against Clinton simply because she's a woman, that's not sexist, it's just ignorant and stupid. IF someone votes for or against McCain simply because he's an older man, that's not *create new PC term*-ist, it's just ignorant and stupid. |
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