Should Hillary Hang It Up?

Based on what happened in Mississippee yesterday, I would say the Republican elecorate is down to myself, the editors of National Review, and a couple of students at Liberty University.

lol...that's pretty funny.

I am a little surprised that no one has come to West Virginia's defense by pointing out why West Virginia is a state to begin with. The good people there had no interest whatsoever in fighting and dying over the institution of slavery. And that was nearly 150 years ago. They must not be really, really racist. Or perhaps they are as I said before, a very pragmatic people.

I am a little surprised that no one has come to West Virginia's defense by pointing out why West Virginia is a state to begin with. The good people there had no interest whatsoever in fighting and dying over the institution of slavery. And that was nearly 150 years ago. They must not be really, really racist. Or perhaps they are as I said before, a very pragmatic people.

I said nothing of the people of WV being racist. I am, however, saying that they are as diverse as platypuses and as educated as Neanderthals. And of course you can also take a look at the exit polls (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226014)and make your own judgment.

OK, then, ill say it. know lots of people from West Virginia. these people would sooner vote for a beat up car, on blocks, in their front yard, then vote for any black. still have alot of old school, confederate flag waving hillbillies livin up in them there hills

OK, then, ill say it. know lots of people from West Virginia. these people would sooner vote for a beat up car, on blocks, in their front yard, then vote for any black. still have alot of old school, confederate flag waving hillbillies livin up in them there hillsI lived the better part of my life in WV and I can definetly confirm that. The high school I went to was 99.9999% white and still is today. Racism was and still is a big part of life in WV. I moved away from there about 8 years ago. I only live about 20 minutes from Wv now and the difference is amazing.

I don't know whether racism played a big part in the WV race. Yes, I have seen polls indicating that many WV residents would never vote for an African American. But, WV residents are, on the whole, poor and uneducated ... that's the very same demographic that Hillary has been targeting throughout her campaign.

Before it's all said and done, I think Barack will double back to WVA and re-introduce himself to the good folks of West Virginia. He might --might--carry the state in the General, but if he doesn't I'm still not convinced it's political suicide. Still, some pundits are worried.

An interesting stat the Clintons have been tossing out there since Tuesday's win is that no Democrat has won the White House without winning West Virginia since 1916.

I think it's also worth noting that we've never had an African-American to win the nomination either. And to take it a step further, we've never had an African-American and women vying for the nomination. So I think while those statistics are good indicators and benchmarks, it's also important to note that we are in unchartered territory. We continue to use old rules and "yesterday's" electoral map for a new type of election, with new candidates.

I was merely pointing out that Bill Clinton did not declare himself to be America's first black President as a previous poster was claiming. I also don't accept your claim that Bill Clinton is "one of the most popular Presidents in American history". He was elected with 43% of the vote in 1992 and 49% of the vote in 1996. Johnson, Nixon, and Reagan were all re-elected to office with nearly 60% of the vote. Clinton had high approval numbers but most Americans were extremely wary of him for obvious reasons. They should be obvious to everyone now at any rate. Bill Clinton avoided forced resignation by the skin of his teeth. If it weren't for the blindly enthusiastic support he got from the various Democratic interest groups-if any one of them had abandoned him-he would have been toast. This is why blacks feel so betrayed by him now. They had his back at the crucial hour.

If Obama and his supporters endeavor to make a habit of charging racism whenever he has difficulty, then the American people in their great wisdom will soundly reject him. He lost in West Virginia because those people take a highly pragmatic view of things. They know the Clintons and what they stand for. Obama is still largely an unknown quantity. He's never really done anything. That's the reality he has to confront. It's easier to chalk it up to racism and I think for many Liberals it actually feels good to do it, but ultimately it is not helpful. Obama would be smart to come right and say he doesn't believe it was racism. He should say that the people of West Virginia are good people, etc. etc. That's the road to victory for him. Not the quagmire of race. He needs to be post-racial. If his Liberal supporters are determined to indulge in that sort of thing, he's sunk. He needs to convince the American people that he believes in his heart that they are not racist. That will get him the votes he needs to win.

Couple of things Chip: one, I lived in West Virginia for five years and I have never experienced racism like that in my life. That doesn't mean everyone there is racist, or even most people, but it exists far more than you are allowing, as both polls and anecdotal evidence suggest. You can continue to blame "liberals" for manufacturing this issue or you can deal with a particularly ugly side of America which is being exposed by this election. I mean, maybe people in West Virginia are just more pragmatic than the rest of the country, or maybe not.

Second, I'm not sure you have paid attention to Obama's response to this issue. He has done exactly what you suggest, refusing to even engage the notion that race might play a factor in his electability, in spite of overwhelming evidence that it is and will continue to. If there is a criticism to be made of Obama it is that his unity message glosses over some important issues, but I don't know how anyone can even hint that him or his campaign are being divisive.

Clinton retired with one of the highest approval ratings in modern presidential history. This broad support is why he wasn't removed from office. If there is an all powerful group of liberal boogeyman special interest groups who control Washington I would like to know where they were during the buildup to the Iraq war or during the global warming debate or the Alito confirmation hearings. Oh that's right, they were being completely ignored.

I think we all agree that racism, in whatever form, should cease. The question here is whether it is racist to vote for a presidential candidate in part or whole because that candidate is black.

If your answer is yes, why? I assume your response is that any decision which is affected by someone's race is inherently a racist one.

yes.

If that is the case, does that mean President Nixon was a racist because his administration aggressively pushed affirmative action?

I don't see how that is racist, that is pushing for equality, which back then, was a major issue.

Or how about people who choose not to date people from a similar ethnic background?

I guess that depends. If it's because they feel a certain race has certain characteristics and assume all are the same, then yes, that is racist. Kinda like saying "I don't like people that are good at Math, therefore I don't like Chinese people". That's racist.

Does that mean that people who won't adopt kids from outside their race are racist?

That's a good question. I guess it depends on why they are actually making that decision.

I think it's sometimes difficult to discern what is really racist.

I just think it's more about the mindset / intent.

I don't know whether racism played a big part in the WV race. Yes, I have seen polls indicating that many WV residents would never vote for an African American. But, WV residents are, on the whole, poor and uneducated ... that's the very same demographic that Hillary has been targeting throughout her campaign.


One the whole...

... Lot's of groups are this and that but if you say it you often get into trouble. Also, Preparation H does feel good...

..on the whole.