Should Hillary Hang It Up?

Completely agreed. Those accusations are asinine.

IF someone votes for or against Obama simply because he's black, that's not racist, it's just ignorant and stupid.

IF someone votes for or against Clinton simply because she's a woman, that's not sexist, it's just ignorant and stupid.

IF someone votes for or against McCain simply because he's an older man, that's not *create new PC term*-ist, it's just ignorant and stupid.


OMG, you can't possibly be serious. Ignorant and stupid? I think you might want to actually check the definition of what racism (http://www.answers.com/racism&r=67) is. Unless I am not aware of my own ignorants I do believe not voting for someone because they are black rather than on the merits of their character and position IS racist (it falls under "discrimination or prejudice based on race" definition).

p.s. Same principle applies in sexism and ageism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Discrimination_in_Employment_Act) which is NOT a new PC term.

To me racism and sexism stems from stupidity and ignorance.

To me racism and sexism stems from stupidity and ignorance.

Exactly, to be racist is to be ignorant and stupid. Let's not however redefine racism to it's simpler form because it's really more nefarious than ignorance and stupidity. When someone says I'm never voting for a black man what rational could there possibly be for their position? He's less capable? His presidency would be detrimental to white people?

good post SC skins fan. and gtripp, show me where McCain stands in between an issue?

It's the first presidential race since 1948 where there wasn't an incumbent of some sort running. That alone has made it more interesting.

Truman was the sitting President in 1948. In 1952 with Eisenhower vs. Stevenson, neither was an incumbent. Also 1928, Hoover vs. Al Smith. Hoover was Secretary of Commerce and Smith was the Catholic Governor of New York. 1908 Taft vs. W.J. Bryan. Taft had been Secretary of War and Bryan was the oft-defeated populist Democrat. 1896 McKinley vs. Bryan. McKInley was Governor of Ohio, I believe. Also there could be an interesting discussion about wether or not Grover Cleveland should be considered an incumbent in 1892. He was the non-consecutive President. I guess he should NOT be considered an incumbent as the stink of office had surely faded somewhat. Perhaps someone else can pick up the trail from here. Some of you could stand doing a little research.

Truman was the sitting President in 1948. In 1952 with Eisenhower vs. Stevenson, neither was an incumbent. Also 1928, Hoover vs. Al Smith. Hoover was Secretary of Commerce and Smith was the Catholic Governor of New York. 1908 Taft vs. W.J. Bryan. Taft had been Secretary of War and Bryan was the oft-defeated populist Democrat. 1896 McKinley vs. Bryan. McKInley was Governor of Ohio, I believe. Also there could be an interesting discussion about wether or not Grover Cleveland should be considered an incumbent in 1892. He was the non-consecutive President. I guess he should NOT be considered an incumbent as the stink of office had surely faded somewhat. Perhaps someone else can pick up the trail from here. Some of you could stand doing a little research.

In his defense, he did say since 1948. So, he should have said since 1952.

Truman was the sitting President in 1948. In 1952 with Eisenhower vs. Stevenson, neither was an incumbent. Also 1928, Hoover vs. Al Smith. Hoover was Secretary of Commerce and Smith was the Catholic Governor of New York. 1908 Taft vs. W.J. Bryan. Taft had been Secretary of War and Bryan was the oft-defeated populist Democrat. 1896 McKinley vs. Bryan. McKInley was Governor of Ohio, I believe. Also there could be an interesting discussion about wether or not Grover Cleveland should be considered an incumbent in 1892. He was the non-consecutive President. I guess he should NOT be considered an incumbent as the stink of office had surely faded somewhat. Perhaps someone else can pick up the trail from here. Some of you could stand doing a little research.

All you had to say was the part I bolded. The rest of the information is a nice little tidbit. But then the last line is out of place because it seems like it was an attack on the knowledge of the poster you quoted. Yet he never said anything about pre-1948.

I meant Ike, but got the year wrong - I had to do my own research on this, so cut me some slack.
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Hilary should hang it up now, because John Edwards is now endorsing Obama.

Hilary should hang it up now, because John Edwards is now endorsing Obama.

He also got the endorsement of the NARAL (National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League) today.

Which is pretty much a slap in the face to Clinton.