Should Hillary Hang It Up?

One the whole...

... Lot's of groups are this and that but if you say it you often get into trouble. Also, Preparation H does feel good...

..on the whole.

I'm not quite sure I follow.

I'm not quite sure I follow.

It's not important.

Obama draws 75,000 in Oregon (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/obama-draws-record-crowd-in-oregon/?hp). That's insane.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/18/us/politics/obama-oregon533.2.jpg

I said nothing of the people of WV being racist. I am, however, saying that they are as diverse as platypuses and as educated as Neanderthals. And of course you can also take a look at the exit polls (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226014)and make your own judgment.

way to fight racism with ignorance and hate. i bet you make friends really easily.

that poll you linked to did show 20% as stating that race was a factor, but even if you re-aligned that completely, obama still loses by double digits.

yeah, there are racists in west virginia, but calling the entire state inbred and retarded or what have you makes you just as guilty and a hypocrite for calling them out with such generalities while thinking that you're any better.

i mean, if there's a place for the race card, this is it, but that's just simply not the reason he lost here... it's only part of the reason. the poor and uneducated just aren't on obama's bandwagon, and calling anyone that doesn't vote for him names doesn't help.

call the racists racist, but don't call the people that simply don't agree with him (or you) racists.

This may sound far flung but I think the Cosby Show is instructive here. Shelby Steele has pointed out that Cosby basically made an unspoken deal with the American public that he would not challenge them on their racist past and in exchange he woud be accepted as mainstream. He gets success and the whites get to come down off the hook for 30 minutes a week and feel like things are progressing on the race front. Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods, Micheal Jordan, Sammy Davis, and many others have entered into a similiar bargain. "Roots" was one of the highest rated television events in history because it embodied this same spirit. As long as he stays within those parameters he's golden. This was why Billl Clinton tried to compare him to Jesse Jackson. Jackson is what Steele calls a "challenger". He never misses a chance to remind whites of their sins. Clinton instinctively understands that this is the game and he was trying to de-Cosby Obama a little bit. It doesn't appear to have been enough to win the war but maybe it was helpful in West Virginia. I say this to point out that the race issue is not as simple as enlightened whites vs. peckerwood racists. There's a lot of subconcious stuff going on. Under the surface resentments on both sides have a great impact on things even though we don't realize it. Bill Clinton, I would suggest, is angry right now with Black America because he feels betrayed by them even though even the most ardent Obama booster would be loathe to acknowledge it. The overt racists, to the extent that they really exist, are not the issue we really face. Nobody thinks of themselves in those terms and nobody wants to be accused of being racist. That's why Obama has to be careful.

way to fight racism with ignorance and hate. i bet you make friends really easily.

that poll you linked to did show 20% as stating that race was a factor, but even if you re-aligned that completely, obama still loses by double digits.

yeah, there are racists in west virginia, but calling the entire state inbred and retarded or what have you makes you just as guilty and a hypocrite for calling them out with such generalities while thinking that you're any better.

i mean, if there's a place for the race card, this is it, but that's just simply not the reason he lost here... it's only part of the reason. the poor and uneducated just aren't on obama's bandwagon, and calling anyone that doesn't vote for him names doesn't help.

call the racists racist, but don't call the people that simply don't agree with him (or you) racists.

No, I don't make friends easily because I have no use for them. Frankly, I don't have the type of personality that seeks approval from people. There's many reasons for my ailment but it's mosly due to being an elitist liberal that's allergic to stupid people.

What part of "West Virginians are dead last (http://www.thewarpath.net/www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-24.pdf) in college education and that only 14.8% have completed college" or the fact that "it's 96% white" doesn't agree with you? Next time try reading my posts and do try to concentrate while reading, you might actually comprehend what I said before you go on a rant that takes my post to another dimension and warps it...don't put any words in my mouth. There's nothing more to what I have said beyond what I wrote.

p.s. If it makes you feel better Alabama and Mississippi are in the same boat in terms of being as educated as Neanderthals.

No, I don't make friends easily because I have no use for them. Frankly, I don't have the type of personality that seeks approval from people. There's many reasons for my ailment but it's mosly due to being an elitist liberal that's allergic to stupid people.

What part of "West Virginians are dead last (http://www.thewarpath.net/www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-24.pdf) in college education and that only 12.3% have completed college" or the fact that "it's 96% white" doesn't agree with you? Next time try reading my posts and do try to concentrate while reading, you might actually comprehend what I said before you go on a rant...and don't f'ing put any words in my mouth.

p.s. If it makes you feel better Alabama and Mississippi are in the same boat in terms of being as educated as Neanderthals.

William Faulkner was from Mississippi. Ditto Eudora Welty, Shelby Foote, and Walker Percy. Obama is probably going to win this election. There's no reason to tar entire groups of people like this over one electoral setback.

William Faulkner was from Mississippi. Ditto Eudora Welty, Shelby Foote, and Walker Percy. Obama is probably going to win this election. There's no reason to tar entire groups of people like this over one electoral setback.

Dropping the names of a few exceptional people doesn't change the facts. What exactly I've said bothers you or do you find objectionable? Was it the Neanderthal reference? Saying the state is full of uneducated people is a fair statement, the numbers back it up and I make no apologies for that.

If Obama wins the election that's great, if he loses, life will go on. I'm good to go either way and I have no real vested interest beyond what most Americans have in terms of seeing this country getting it's act together.

No, I don't make friends easily because I have no use for them. Frankly, I don't have the type of personality that seeks approval from people. There's many reasons for my ailment but it's mosly due to being an elitist liberal that's allergic to stupid people.

What part of "West Virginians are dead last (http://www.thewarpath.net/www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-24.pdf) in college education and that only 14.8% have completed college" or the fact that "it's 96% white" doesn't agree with you? Next time try reading my posts and do try to concentrate while reading, you might actually comprehend what I said before you go on a rant that takes my post to another dimension and warps it...don't put any words in my mouth. There's nothing more to what I have said beyond what I wrote.

p.s. If it makes you feel better Alabama and Mississippi are in the same boat in terms of being as educated as Neanderthals.

and here i thought you were talking about the race question at the bottom of the link. my bad, i just remember the last time i saw you posting on political threads and thought you were going back there again (you know, when you actually did call everyone on the board a racist).

sorry for jumping the gun.

and here i thought you were talking about the race question at the bottom of the link. my bad, i just remember the last time i saw you posting on political threads and thought you were going back there again (you know, when you actually did call everyone on the board a racist).

sorry for jumping the gun.

I protest with absolute certainty that I have never done that!