It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

Maybe he wasn't shopped but the news of that surely shows that he might be on the block and if someone wanted him, they might've started inquiring.

Who knows? Maybe they did. I doubt it would be in their interest to publicize it and alienate their QB too.

Thank you, Bears!!!!!



Wow, they got screwed with how much they gave up for a player who may not want to play for them next year. They better stock up on baby powder and Dum-Dums.

Yea, i considered starting a "is JC going to still be traded" thread. It's worthy of discussion b/c it's fairly evident that the decision makers (Vin and Dan) don't think too highly of Mr. Campbell. They may feel that this bridge is burned. If JC doesn't have a good year, he's gone. If he does have a good year, he may not want to come back.

So, that begs the question would they take a 2nd rounder for JC and let TC's play QB this year. It's not so crazy enough not to ask. For this franchise nothing is beyond discussion.

because orton, as horrible as he is, is really a better, more teachable QB than campbell.

no matter what system he's in, campbell will always stare down his receivers, be afraid to look deep, not go through his reads, have a slow release, and hold on to the ball too long. he's got a great attitude but he's not franchise QB material.

the way I see it, we learned two things yesterday:

1. The Redskins don't want Jason Campbell.
2. Neither does anyone else.

You can officially be declared insane.

Thank you, Bears!!!!!



Wow, they got screwed with how much they gave up for a player who may not want to play for them next year. They better stock up on baby powder and Dum-Dums.

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because orton, as horrible as he is, is really a better, more teachable QB than campbell.

no matter what system he's in, campbell will always stare down his receivers, be afraid to look deep, not go through his reads, have a slow release, and hold on to the ball too long. he's got a great attitude but he's not franchise QB material.

the way I see it, we learned two things yesterday:

1. The Redskins don't want Jason Campbell.
2. Neither does anyone else.BHA, if you'll remember like two months ago, when you were offering Campbell for Chris Simms and stuff, I pointed out that no team is going to give a second round pick for a player they don't think you value. The only thing we learned yesterday is, that I was right.

Understandably, you value Campbell as equivalent to a second round pick for some team that doesn't have a quarterback. Evidence disagrees with you on that, but let's assume you are right, and Campbell truly is a mediocre player who is going to peak within the next year or so and never break into the top ten QBs. The assumption you are making is that: Every team that doesn't have a quarterback would be willing to trade a valuable 2nd round pick for the last year of Campbell's rookie contract.

But here's the thing: There isn't a team in the NFL that doesn't believe there's an NFL quality QB somewhere on the roster. The Jets think Brett Ratliff is as good as Campbell. The Lions think that Drew Stanton is as good as Campbell. The Vikings think Sage Rosenfels is as good as Campbell. The Bucs think that Luke McCown is as good as Campbell. The Broncos think Chris Simms is as good as Campbell (sorry, that was a cheap shot). The Raiders think...well, I don't know what the Raiders think.

But, if you are correct on Campbell's true value BHA, every one of these teams is most likely wrong, to the point where they could improve their team ten fold by trading a second round pick for Campbell. Hell, the Jets traded a third round pick for the departed soul of Brett Favre once they decided that Chad Pennington was "just average" to steal a phrase from you.

So what's the explanation here? That you are actually overvaluing Campbell? Well, the stats say you are very much undervaluing him, so that doesn't make sense. No, the point is this: NFL GMs behave a certain way. That means, they don't trade high draft picks for players they don't believe make their team a lot better. Now, Campbell would obviously make a lot of teams a lot better. The Bears would have been far better off trading us a second rounder for Campbell and signing him to a Garrard-type deal then they would be with Jay Cutler, given that they get to hold on to two firsts. But you have to understand why that didn't happen: the Bears view that as an inferior plan to just keeping the status quo of weak QB play.

In this case, the splash of outbidding the Skins for Cutler was just as valuable as the trade itself. Because if you look at the deal in a vaccuum, the Bears got totally ripped off. But once you consider the obscene price on Cutler, it's easy to be an excited Bear fan this morning. They beat Snyder at his game.

I'll just point out that (to reinforce my point), that NFL teams in just the past six years or so, have committed the following errors at the QB position:

- Traded a third round pick for Mark Brunell
- Traded a second round pick for AJ Feeley
- Decided that their team's QB situtation would be more stable once Daunte Culpepper was gone
- Traded a second round pick to get Culpepper instead of signing Drew Brees for free
- Signed Drew Bledsoe
- Drafted JP Losman
- Drafted JaMarcus Russell
- Drafted Alex Smith
- Drafted Vince Young
- Cut Byron Leftwich after going through an entire offseason with him as the starting QB.
- Given the largest contract in NFL history to Michael Vick
- Traded Matt Schaub becuase they didn't feel like they needed any competition for Vick
- Gave Marc Bulger a hefty contract extension
- Two, and very nearly three, different teams have dumped Kurt Warner.
- One team has signed Brian Griese, twice.
- Traded two first round picks, a third round pick, and Kyle Orton, for Jay Cutler.

And then, just the Eric Mangini edition:

- Kicked Chad Pennington to the curb in favor of Kellen Clemens
- Decided that Kellen Clemens wasn't good enough to play instead over a 38 year old Brett Favre, who needed to be traded for
- Decided that 24 year old Brady Quinn is too unproven to get all the reps as a starter, and tried to trade him for Jay Cutler.

The above is an economic principle known as the Winner's Curse. The Bears are the unquestioned winner of the Jay Cutler sweepstakes. And because of it, it costs them a lot more wins in the long run (theoretically, assuming that they draft at an average success rate), then it would have to lose out to the Redskins on this one.

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

Exactly who hired this coach and when? That was one of the points i've been making. The JZ hire was desparation, lack of a plan type of hire.

The only teams who trade draft picks, in any form, are teams that think they are close. Which team that honestly believes they have no QB on their roster that can play honestly thinks they are close to the playoffs?

BHA, if you'll remember like two months ago, when you were offering Campbell for Chris Simms and stuff, I pointed out that no team is going to give a second round pick for a player they don't think you value. The only thing we learned yesterday is, that I was right.

Understandably, you value Campbell as equivalent to a second round pick for some team that doesn't have a quarterback. Evidence disagrees with you on that, but let's assume you are right, and Campbell truly is a mediocre player who is going to peak within the next year or so and never break into the top ten QBs. The assumption you are making is that: Every team that doesn't have a quarterback would be willing to trade a valuable 2nd round pick for the last year of Campbell's rookie contract.

But here's the thing: There isn't a team in the NFL that doesn't believe there's an NFL quality QB somewhere on the roster. The Jets think Brett Ratliff is as good as Campbell. The Lions think that Drew Stanton is as good as Campbell. The Vikings think Sage Rosenfels is as good as Campbell. The Bucs think that Luke McCown is as good as Campbell. The Broncos think Chris Simms is as good as Campbell (sorry, that was a cheap shot). The Raiders think...well, I don't know what the Raiders think.

But, if you are correct on Campbell's true value BHA, every one of these teams is most likely wrong, to the point where they could improve their team ten fold by trading a second round pick for Campbell. Hell, the Jets traded a third round pick for the departed soul of Brett Favre once they decided that Chad Pennington was "just average" to steal a phrase from you.

So what's the explanation here? That you are actually overvaluing Campbell? Well, the stats say you are very much undervaluing him, so that doesn't make sense. No, the point is this: NFL GMs behave a certain way. That means, they don't trade high draft picks for players they don't believe make their team a lot better. Now, Campbell would obviously make a lot of teams a lot better. The Bears would have been far better off trading us a second rounder for Campbell and signing him to a Garrard-type deal then they would be with Jay Cutler, given that they get to hold on to two firsts. But you have to understand why that didn't happen: the Bears view that as an inferior plan to just keeping the status quo of weak QB play.

In this case, the splash of outbidding the Skins for Cutler was just as valuable as the trade itself. Because if you look at the deal in a vaccuum, the Bears got totally ripped off. But once you consider the obscene price on Cutler, it's easy to be an excited Bear fan this morning. They beat Snyder at his game.

I'll just point out that (to reinforce my point), that NFL teams in just the past six years or so, have committed the following errors at the QB position:

- Traded a third round pick for Mark Brunell
- Traded a second round pick for AJ Feeley
- Decided that their team's QB situtation would be more stable once Daunte Culpepper was gone
- Traded a second round pick to get Culpepper instead of signing Drew Brees for free
- Signed Drew Bledsoe
- Drafted JP Losman
- Drafted JaMarcus Russell
- Drafted Alex Smith
- Drafted Vince Young
- Cut Byron Leftwich after going through an entire offseason with him as the starting QB.
- Given the largest contract in NFL history to Michael Vick
- Traded Matt Schaub becuase they didn't feel like they needed any competition for Vick
- Gave Marc Bulger a hefty contract extension
- Two, and very nearly three, different teams have dumped Kurt Warner.
- One team has signed Brian Griese, twice.
- Traded two first round picks, a third round pick, and Kyle Orton, for Jay Cutler.

And then, just the Eric Mangini edition:

- Kicked Chad Pennington to the curb in favor of Kellen Clemens
- Decided that Kellen Clemens wasn't good enough to play instead over a 38 year old Brett Favre, who needed to be traded for
- Decided that 24 year old Brady Quinn is too unproven to get all the reps as a starter, and tried to trade him for Jay Cutler.

Wow. :food-smil