Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

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Defensewins
02-24-2010, 07:33 PM
Why are we such an impatient group/team that we have to try to add by subtraction? Why can't we keep the good players we have and take 3 years to build through the draft and FA over time? We don't have to trade Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley etc. just because some are desperate for more draft picks.
If we have learned one thing from the Snyder era is trying to build a winner in one or two whirlwind off seasons does not work for us. We end up regressing.

tryfuhl
02-24-2010, 08:21 PM
Why are we such an impatient group/team that we have to try to add by subtraction? Why can't we keep the good players we have and take 3 years to build through the draft and FA over time? We don't have to trade Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley etc. just because some are desperate for more draft picks.
If we have learned one thing from the Snyder era is trying to build a winner in one or two whirlwind off seasons does not work for us. We end up regressing.
sometimes wiping the slate clean helps, you bring in fresh guys that are handpicked for your system and brought in under the expectation that they will do their best for you because the coaching staff wanted you.. those are a few of the factors

We don't have to trade all of those guys but it's expected that you'll field offers, hardly anyone is off the table

Slingin Sammy 33
02-24-2010, 08:31 PM
Why are we such an impatient group/team that we have to try to add by subtraction? Why can't we keep the good players we have and take 3 years to build through the draft and FA over time? We don't have to trade Santana Moss, LaRon Landry, Chris Cooley etc. just because some are desperate for more draft picks.
If we have learned one thing from the Snyder era is trying to build a winner in one or two whirlwind off seasons does not work for us. We end up regressing.I wouldn't classify looking at the option to trade Moss, Landry, and Cooley as just desperate for more picks.

Moss - Above average, not great hands, average at best route runner, doesn't give full effort 100% of the time, not a #1 caliber receiver, maybe a year or two (at best) left.

Cooley - Pro Bowl caliber TE, Davis better physically than Cooley and productive this year. Two high quality TEs are a nice to have, but with the holes on the OL, if Cooley could be dealt for a 2nd rounder to pick up an OL starter it's a good move.

Landry - physically gifted, questions about his mental approach and work ethic. If a good trade scenario is offered it can't hurt to consider.

Ruhskins
02-24-2010, 08:54 PM
I wouldn't classify looking at the option to trade Moss, Landry, and Cooley as just desperate for more picks.

Moss - Above average, not great hands, average at best route runner, doesn't give full effort 100% of the time, not a #1 caliber receiver, maybe a year or two (at best) left.

Cooley - Pro Bowl caliber TE, Davis better physically than Cooley and productive this year. Two high quality TEs are a nice to have, but with the holes on the OL, if Cooley could be dealt for a 2nd rounder to pick up an OL starter it's a good move.

Landry - physically gifted, questions about his mental approach and work ethic. If a good trade scenario is offered it can't hurt to consider.

I think you need to keep Cooley for one more year to see if Davis is the real thing before you think about moving him. I wouldn't gamble on giving away one of our best offensive weapons just because Davis had a couple of good games.

Now with Moss, I don't know how realistic it would be to trade him. But I just feel we could con a team like the Bears into a 4th rounder for him. Some might say, well you would be getting rid of your "#1" WR or getting rid of a veteran WR...but I just feel that he hasn't been much of an impact in the past two season.

Landry is the typical example of a talented player that you could part ways with (for good compensation) because you have a good replacement (Horton...even Doughty) and is a player that has had his issues in here (attitude, poor play, etc., etc.).

Other than these guys, Rogers would be a good option to trade. He could be valuable to another team, and we could use the picks (especially with Dunta Robinson out there available). I also feel that we have young CBs (Barnes, Tryon) that could eventually step up (or we could draft more DBs later on).

celts32
02-24-2010, 09:05 PM
a 3 and a 5? I think I'd rather keep the guy. He has shown flashes that he can play at a high level. Let's assemble a real NFL-caliber offensive line. Who knows if the guys we pick by trading JC to Buff will pan out.

I think a 3 and a 5 is good value. I am surprised if we can even get a 3.

Ruhskins
02-24-2010, 09:06 PM
I think a 3 and a 5 is good value. I am surprised if we can even get a 3.

For Campbell? Why not? It's not like he was putting up JaMarcus Russell or Derek Anderson numbers last season.

Redskins_P
02-24-2010, 09:10 PM
I would take a 3rd and 5th for Campbell any day of the week.

The Goat
02-24-2010, 09:14 PM
I want to hear more about the JC to Bills deal. Getting a 3rd rd pick for him would shock me...

SmootSmack
02-24-2010, 09:59 PM
-Uncapped year I don't think it matters moneywise if we take a QB or LT or whatever in the first round

-Feel like I've said this a million times, but drafting a QB in the first round does not equal disregarding the offensive line. The Skins aren't planning on waiting until draft day, taking a QB at 4, and then going home

-Sure Bradford's shoulder is a concern, but all indications are that he's fine and if teams never drafted guys because they had injuries...there'd be no draft to begin with

-There's more buzz though that we're not taking either Bradford or Clausen in the first round (who knows for sure though)

-I think Moss should have been traded last year (if not the year before). His value is slipping but we need to see what we can get out of him. We also need to move forward with DT and Kelly and whoever else as our starting receivers

-Unfortunately we made moves in the past (Duckett, Lloyd, Taylor) that have no hurt us as we try to move forward. We can either sit and moan about it or make do with we have. What we have is guys like Laron Landry playing for a last place team so it makes sense to see what a guy like Landry can bring back. That doesn't mean you just trade him, it means you explore the options

-There will most likely be a draft in 2011 so the conditional status of any pick that year shouldn't be a concern

-Mentioned it in another thread (and many times before) but I'm keeping an eye on Jevan Snead. Reading between the lines of what people are telling me he sounds like a prime mid-round candidate

SmootSmack
02-24-2010, 10:00 PM
I want to hear more about the JC to Bills deal. Getting a 3rd rd pick for him would shock me...

I don't have much more to tell you right now

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