Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)

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Slingin Sammy 33
03-01-2010, 11:58 AM
Is Orakpo at LB really a bad idea? I thought he made a pretty good transition and should only be better in year 2, and he's definitely a better fit for LB in the 3-4.Orakpo is much better with his hand in the dirt than in a 2 point. When you're getting beat by Witten it's one thing, Jeff King is another. He will be better as a 3-4 OLB than in a 4-3 (easier to expose him in coverage in a 4-3), but he's most effective as a true RDE.

Don't get me wrong, Orakpo will do well at LB or DE, I'm just for maximizing the potential of each player.

Pocket$ $traight
03-01-2010, 12:11 PM
Orakpo is much better with his hand in the dirt than in a 2 point. When you're getting beat by Witten it's one thing, Jeff King is another. He will be better as a 3-4 OLB than in a 4-3 (easier to expose him in coverage in a 4-3), but he's most effective as a true RDE.

Don't get me wrong, Orakpo will do well at LB or DE, I'm just for maximizing the potential of each player.

I agree that he is better on the end. But what if that means you have to take Andre Carter off a lot to do it and HB Blades is covering the tight ends?

Slingin Sammy 33
03-01-2010, 12:13 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why Haynesworth at NT is a bad idea. It's not like he would be locked in at NT full time either, I'm sure he would work in at DE as well.He's not built as a 3-4 NT. He doesn't have that low center of gravity like a Wilfork, Hampton, Jamal Williams, etc. It will be easier for opposing Gs to get into his hips and thighs. AH is a 1 tech DT, yes he gets doubled, but he knows where it's coming from. A 3-4 NT has to play basically a 2 gap technique and just swallow up blockers for the LBs. AH will not be happy (motivated) or effective in that role. As a 3-4 DE he'll know where the double is coming from and he'll have more of a chance to make plays on his own.

Orakpo at RDE and AH at the 1 is as good as it gets in the NFL for a right side of the DL. It ain't broke, why fix it. I keep hearing about how successful the 3-4 has been, the Eagles and Giants have done some pretty good things over the last few years with their attacking 4-3. Looking at the top D rankings over the last 3 years, there's a mix of teams running 3-4 vs. 4-3.

BigHairedAristocrat
03-01-2010, 12:16 PM
i agree. i think shanahan's decision to use a 3-4 defense is motivated more by novelty than necessity.

SirClintonPortis
03-01-2010, 12:17 PM
Hmm, I think Kedric Golston and Monty are on their way out. I don't know if Peppers is going to be an OLB or 3-4 DE.

Slingin Sammy 33
03-01-2010, 12:17 PM
I agree that he is better on the end. But what if that means you have to take Andre Carter off a lot to do it and HB Blades is covering the tight ends?In a 4-3, AC & Jarmon can rotate at LDE. We still need LB help in a 4-3 or 3-4, just in a 3-4, you need more LB help. If we go to a 3-4 base we're going to need to retool the DL, why do this when we need to retool the OL, QB & RB? Change for the sake of change is usually not a good thing.

SirClintonPortis
03-01-2010, 12:18 PM
Orakpo at RDE and AH at the 1 is as good as it gets in the NFL for a right side of the DL. It ain't broke, why fix it. I keep hearing about how successful the 3-4 has been, the Eagles and Giants have done some pretty good things over the last few years with their attacking 4-3. Looking at the top D rankings over the last 3 years, there's a mix of teams running 3-4 vs. 4-3.
Orakpo as an 3-4 OLB will basically be a 4-3 RDE 80-90% of the time. DeMarcus Ware is listed as an OLB but he usually rushes the QB.

SFREDSKIN
03-01-2010, 12:46 PM
Hmm, I think Kedric Golston and Monty are on their way out. I don't know if Peppers is going to be an OLB or 3-4 DE.

Getting rid of Golston would be a mistake.

over the mountain
03-01-2010, 12:49 PM
im going to trust that allen and shanny are well aware of peppers reputation for taking plays and games off, not having a drive for football, etc when they are determining whether to enter the peppers sweepstakes.

imo peppers probably took plays off b/c of the franchise tag and that he just doesnt live and breath football. for those reasons i wouldnt even consider him but maybe allen can structure an incentive based contract with "out clauses" for the skins if peppers gets here and continues what he did in carolina.

i dont want guys who dont live breath and love football, no matter how well they did when they first got into the league.

Schneed10
03-01-2010, 01:02 PM
i think the fear that the salary cap won't come back is greatly exaggerated. its a scare tactic in my opinion. right now, it makes sense for teams to not have a cap, as a lot of them want to unload dead weight. however, having a salary cap and salary floor is far too beneficial for the league and the players. i would be shocked if the cap didnt return whenever a new CBA is reached.

You could be right, but any bonuses paid out this year in the uncapped year would not count towards a 2011 salary cap (if there is one). Unless they came up with a new rule during negotiations that does not exist today.

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