Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al"

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tryfuhl
04-07-2010, 01:16 PM
"The source said Haynesworth is, and will continue to be, the Redskins' starting nose tackle."

Washington Redskins source: Albert Haynesworth is our starting defensive tackle - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5062920&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Putting pressure on Big Al or being honest?

SBXVII
04-07-2010, 01:23 PM
"The source said Haynesworth is, and will continue to be, the Redskins' starting nose tackle."



Washington Redskins source: Albert Haynesworth is our starting defensive tackle - ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5062920&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines)

Putting pressure on Big Al or being honest?


So basically we picked up Kemoeatu for nothing. Hmm.

duetsch215
04-07-2010, 01:23 PM
it will be interesting to see how this affects their draft strategy

Pocket$ $traight
04-07-2010, 01:23 PM
According to another PFT article, Haynesworth is only owed 16MM with 9MM garaunteed over the next 3 years. That is a STEAL of a deal for a 4-3 team. My guess is that we are trying to get our trading partner and/or Haynesworth to pay us back some of that money as part of the trade. Essentially, we're giving him the Lavar treatment. I'm pretty sure that whatever Haynesworth had to pay back to us, his new team would pay him as part of his new deal.


For his talent level, it is a steal but it seems to me that the biggest question mark on Godzilla is his work ethic and presence in the locker room. When he left the Titans there were already red flags and Washington trying to move him after one year doesn't help his cause. So now they want money back on top of draft picks? To me that adds a very intriguing "layer" to all of this. Because asking for money back is essentially just a move to save face. So what dollar amount makes it acceptable to the team? Next, what draft pick or picks is adequate compensation? Then, if you add in the fact that Detroit and Tampa Bay are potential suitors but trading Al to them might allow them to skip over Suh and McCoy and then take the guy we want (Okung for example) it gets even more interesting.

Moving Al is getting more complicated by the minute. The more complicated it is, the less likely it happens IMO.

GMScud
04-07-2010, 01:25 PM
Can we ban people who use "z" instead of "s" in their user name? Few things irk me more than that (ArtMonkDrillz being the exception- we should change his to an "s").

Defensewins
04-07-2010, 01:27 PM
So basically we picked up Kemoeatu for nothing. Hmm.

He is not ready to play yet. He has to be brought back gradually.
Once Kemoeatu is healthy you move Haynesworth outside to the DT/DE position in the 3/4. He will be dominant in the pass rush. He will create mismatch problems and open a ton of sacks for his teammates.
We should keep Haynesworth.
It will be hard to run against a 3 man D-line of NT Kemoeatu, DE's Haynesworth and Daniels. You can have smaller faster LB's behjind that line.

BigHairedAristocrat
04-07-2010, 01:31 PM
For his talent level, it is a steal but it seems to me that the biggest question mark on Godzilla is his work ethic and presence in the locker room. When he left the Titans there were already red flags and Washington trying to move him after one year doesn't help his cause. So now they want money back on top of draft picks? To me that adds a very intriguing "layer" to all of this. Because asking for money back is essentially just a move to save face. So what dollar amount makes it acceptable to the team? Next, what draft pick or picks is adequate compensation? Then, if you add in the fact that Detroit and Tampa Bay are potential suitors but trading Al to them might allow them to skip over Suh and McCoy and then take the guy we want (Okung for example) it gets even more interesting.

Moving Al is getting more complicated by the minute. The more complicated it is, the less likely it happens IMO.

Honestly, i think we WANT to ensure that Detroit takes Okung so Suh or McCoy will fall to us and we have a number of opportunities to trade down. I think this has been what we've been hoping for all along and trading Haynesworth to either team would only help ensure the draft unfolds as we want. Obviously, we wouldnt move Big Al just to make that happen, but it would be an added bonus.

SmootSmack
04-07-2010, 01:32 PM
For his talent level, it is a steal but it seems to me that the biggest question mark on Godzilla is his work ethic and presence in the locker room. When he left the Titans there were already red flags and Washington trying to move him after one year doesn't help his cause. So now they want money back on top of draft picks? To me that adds a very intriguing "layer" to all of this. Because asking for money back is essentially just a move to save face. So what dollar amount makes it acceptable to the team? Next, what draft pick or picks is adequate compensation? Then, if you add in the fact that Detroit and Tampa Bay are potential suitors but trading Al to them might allow them to skip over Suh and McCoy and then take the guy we want (Okung for example) it gets even more interesting.

Moving Al is getting more complicated by the minute. The more complicated it is, the less likely it happens IMO.

Exactly. Still don't think Al's going anywhere. They'll expect at least two high picks and probably a player in return.

Pocket$ $traight
04-07-2010, 01:40 PM
Honestly, i think we WANT to ensure that Detroit takes Okung so Suh or McCoy will fall to us and we have a number of opportunities to trade down. I think this has been what we've been hoping for all along and trading Haynesworth to either team would only help ensure the draft unfolds as we want. Obviously, we wouldnt move Big Al just to make that happen, but it would be an added bonus.


Is Al that big of a distraction to the team? They would have to despise him to go through with that because that is a lot of trouble to, most likely, downgrade at DT. It isn't a cost cutting move because the 4th pick is going to be making huge guaranteed money. To me, that would be a waste of our 4th pick because you have to commit that pick to get anywhere near the production that you are shipping out.

Granted, you will get some type of pick or two for the big guy but this is a lot of effort to take a step back.

Defensewins
04-07-2010, 01:41 PM
Honestly, i think we WANT to ensure that Detroit takes Okung so Suh or McCoy will fall to us and we have a number of opportunities to trade down. I think this has been what we've been hoping for all along and trading Haynesworth to either team would only help ensure the draft unfolds as we want. Obviously, we wouldnt move Big Al just to make that happen, but it would be an added bonus.

I agree that we are fine with Okung or with out. We draft him or trade down and get another OL.
I disagree about getting rid of Haynesworth as a bonus. There will be a talent void in our D-line if Hayneswrth leaves and we do not properly replace him. Kemoeatu is questionable coming off a major injury. Our other DLineman are not difference makers. We will create a hole.

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