Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?

put any qb behind that line and you will look like crap

Even when he's had time, he's been bad.

First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.

I wasn't referring to the money, but rather the draft picks we gave up for what, thus far, has been a very underwhelming Donovan McNabb.

As far as JC goes, as long as McNabb continues to have sub-par performances, I think the Jason Campbell discussion will always have some relevance to Skins fans.

First of all, The money doesn't mean crap to anyone but DS and he has more than he can spend so we need to stop making money a factor in these situations.

Secondly, JC was on his way out wether DM came here or not. And if people will ask if we are better off without JC now that DM is the Redskin QB, the answer is YES. Give DM last years Defense or this years playing the 4-3 and Portis And DM more than puts up enough points to win most of the games we lost.

I've said this before, bring JC back here and he would be just like last year or worse.

The team as a whole is playing worse than last year. Sad but true.

He's a bridge to nowhere. There's a whole host of second rounders who already have panned out this year that we could have used long after McNabb would be gone. Terrence Cody, Nate Allen, hell, even reaching for Jared Veldheer would have benefited us more than McNabb.

Lets be honest.
Our passing game is not better.
Yards is probably the least meaningful metric in terms of measuring the quality of a passing offense.

We're a few 3rd down conversions away from converting the fewest 3rd downs in the past 40 years in the NFL, that my friend is not good.
Our passing offense this year is worse then last year in all the meaningful metrics:
YPA, RZ conversion %, the already mentioned 3rd down conversion, QB rating, comp %.

If you think having more yards is more important then the other stats then we see offense very differently.


I would feel so much better if he steps it up down the stretch.
I was expecting McNabb/Kyle to at least match the passing game production from last year.

thats a good post right there. my main issue if we are comparing this year to last was that almost every passing play was no more than 3 yds from the LOS, with most yards (i think almost 70%) came from YAC, which placed JC way way ahead of the rest of the pack. plus all the garbage yards JC and our offense picked up last year. if a team was up by 2 scores by halftime, they were shutting it down in terms of agressiveness, playing conservative, making them march down the field offense.

with completion percentage, qb rating (which i stopped really considering) i think a dink and dunk offense gives you go numbers but where are you? right back to where we were before gibbs II after the 1st season, looking for an offense that can stretch the field to eliminate the 8 man box. enter lloyd and ARE.

we finally finally have a "stretch the field" passing attack after so many years of putting our run game against 8 man boxes, i like it. i see it as a step into the modern nfl offense.

woot woot posting on the weeknight!

DM has no running game, terrible WRs and a crummy O line so its tough to look good or make anything happen. DM is past his prime but if he had some weapons he'd be playing much better.

Exactly

Look at starting QBs in the NFC this year and ask yourself if Donovan McNabb is better or worse than his peers - - in 2010. His "Peers" are QBs who have been starters on NFC teams in 2010...

Philly:
Michael Vick - - better than DM
Kevin Kolb - - not better than DM

Dallas:
Tony Romo - - not better than DM
Jon Kitna not better than DM

NY Giants:
Eli Manning - - better than DM

Atlanta:
Matt Ryan - - better than DM

New Orleans:
Drew Brees - - better than DM

Carolina:
Jimmy Claussen - - not better than DM
Brian St. Pierre - - not better than DM (he DID start for the Pantloads this year)

Tampa:
Josh Freeman - - PUSH with DM

Green Bay:
Aaron Rodgers - - better than DM

Detroit:
Matt Stafford - - not better than DM
Shaun Hill - - not better than DM
Drew Stanton - not better than DM

Minnesota:
Brett Favre - - not better than DM

Chicago:
Jay Cutler - - PUSH with DM (better the last 4 games; not as good the first 8 games)

SF:
Alex Smith - - not better than DM
Troy Smith - - not better than DM
David Carr - - not better than DM

St. Louis:
Sam Bradford - - better than DM

Arizona:
Derek Anderson - - not better than DM
Max Hall - - not better than DM

Seattle:
Matt Hasselbeck - - PUSH with DM


In the NFC there have been 24 starting QBs counting DM. 6 are better;
3 are a PUSH; 14 are not better. That makes him solidly ABOVE average.

I could do this for the AFC too but it would probably come out the same.

The bottom line is that Donovan McNabb is not the best QB in the league or the conference - - but it would have been abjectly stupid to count him as such on the day the Redskins traded for him. He is better than a majority of his peers - - his peers are other players who have started at QB in 2010.

Back in the spring of 2010, the Skins had three choices; (1) they could keep Jason Campbell as the QB; (2) they could trade for a QB who had NFL experience or (3) they could draft a QB. Shanahan clearly did not want to stick with Campbell so trade or draft were the REAL options.

Look at some of the QBs who changed teams last year:

McNabb
Delhomme
Anderson
Troy Smith
Rosenfels
Losman
Quinn
Bulger
Sorgi
Leinhart
[and probably a couple of others too]

Which QB on that list of "available via trade/free agency' would you want on your team in 2010? If you say anyone other than McNabb you just have not been paying attention...

There was NO WAY the Skins could have drafted Sam Bradford. So, which other rookie QB is lighting it up in the NFL this year to the point that you would say he is better than Donovan McNabb right now? Colt McCoy is a possibility but he has really only played 3 games. Tim Tebow? Max Hall, John Skelton, Rusty Smith?

Am I disgusted with McNabb's play in 2010. HELL NO!!

Could he play better? OF COURSE!

Could the Skins be worse off at QB? YOU BET!

Was there a better option available to the Skins for 2010? NO...

I wasn't referring to the money, but rather the draft picks we gave up for what, thus far, has been a very underwhelming Donovan McNabb.

As far as JC goes, as long as McNabb continues to have sub-par performances, I think the Jason Campbell discussion will always have some relevance to Skins fans.

Yeah I agree with you here. We are not in the position to give up picks, that has got to stop.

In the NFC there have been 24 starting QBs counting DM. 6 are better;
3 are a PUSH; 14 are not better. That makes him solidly ABOVE average.

I could do this for the AFC too but it would probably come out the same.

The bottom line is that Donovan McNabb is not the best QB in the league or the conference - - but it would have been abjectly stupid to count him as such on the day the Redskins traded for him. He is better than a majority of his peers - - his peers are other players who have started at QB in 2010.

Back in the spring of 2010, the Skins had three choices; (1) they could keep Jason Campbell as the QB; (2) they could trade for a QB who had NFL experience or (3) they could draft a QB. Shanahan clearly did not want to stick with Campbell so trade or draft were the REAL options.

Look at some of the QBs who changed teams last year:

McNabb
Delhomme
Anderson
Troy Smith
Rosenfels
Losman
Quinn
Bulger
Sorgi
Leinhart
[and probably a couple of others too]

Which QB on that list of "available via trade/free agency' would you want on your team in 2010? If you say anyone other than McNabb you just have not been paying attention...

There was NO WAY the Skins could have drafted Sam Bradford. So, which other rookie QB is lighting it up in the NFL this year to the point that you would say he is better than Donovan McNabb right now? Colt McCoy is a possibility but he has really only played 3 games. Tim Tebow? Max Hall, John Skelton, Rusty Smith?

Am I disgusted with McNabb's play in 2010. HELL NO!!

Could he play better? OF COURSE!

Could the Skins be worse off at QB? YOU BET!

Was there a better option available to the Skins for 2010? NO...

We could have traded Campbell even if we didn't get McNabb.

Our lower draft position thanks to McNabb harms us.

The opportunity cost of the second rounder may look a win for this year, but a Terrence Cody would be providing more than 0 utility three years from now.

Also, I wouldn't say Romo is worse than McNabb. He's a PUSH at worst. Shanahan loves Romo btw.

Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions. And before you call me crazy remember this is a team thats ranked 32nd in rushing. Their starting Left Tackle is a 6th round pick who's playing next to an undrafted free agent LG that was so good, we decided to cut him during his rookie year. Not to mention their receiving corps is going down faster then the Lusitania. Imagine what would happen if that description matched the Skins personnel.

Now obviously we can't expect McNabb to put up a 90 plus rating with some of the problems we've had on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm pretty sure we can expect a passer rating above 80. Especially considering the system he's in as well as the fact that he does have a decent receiving corps.

Usually a good QB can cover up a lot of deficiencies. I hate to break it to everyone but we're not going to have a line that reads top 5 pick, 2nd rounder, 1st rounder, big name free agent, 1st rounder. Fortunately we might be able to patch up the receiving corps through free agency and take it to the next level but still. I certainly expected better then 12 TD passes especially given all the red zone opportunities this team has had.

Peyton has been in that system for over 10 years. How can u compare us to Indy.

I'll tell you right now, If DM plays lights out for an entire season (next season), if we get in the playoffs he's done. Thats a fact. He has never been able to play up to his potential in a big game. Ever! This is my only concern with DM.

With that said, surround him with some real talent and he will bring us to the playoffs.

Someone mentioned Mike Vick, Thats a unfair comparison since Vick is probably in top 3 for NFL MVP this season. Keep in mind, when Vick has no play, he runs. DM can't really do that anymore. So his options are more limited than Vick's. Not to mention his (Vicks) WR's are fast and open most of the time.

So what are you on the Jets band wagon with your Avatar of 44 Riggo? I watch the John Riggo show and man he really seems to be a hater. As you can see when the Redskins are not ding well the fake ass fans jump the ship.