The everything Gruden thread


VTSkins1961
12-02-2014, 10:46 PM
Good coaches adapt to their players strength's.....Gruden has not done this.... Not saying he should go but not giving him a free pass either.

Regardless what happens to him Haz must go and we must go back to the 4-3. The 3-4 has failed us. Most of our players would be better in a 4-3. Question is where to you play Kerrigan DE or LB or you could play him at both depending on the situation.. Rak - resign little more than vet min with incentives as a DE and if he doesn't accept let him walk....

Bucket
12-02-2014, 10:54 PM
Good coaches adapt to their players strength's.....Gruden has not done this.... Not saying he should go but not giving him a free pass either.

Regardless what happens to him Haz must go and we must go back to the 4-3. The 3-4 has failed us. Most of our players would be better in a 4-3. Question is where to you play Kerrigan DE or LB or you could play him at both depending on the situation.. Rak - resign little more than vet min with incentives as a DE and if he doesn't accept let him walk....

OOOOOrrrrrrrr

Good coaches draft players in to their systems that fit. After having a few years....

It works both ways.

Rotten1980
12-02-2014, 11:51 PM
Well I asked in another thread but nobody said how much input Gruden had this offseason? Harder to judge without all the draft picks though.

NC_Skins
12-03-2014, 08:39 AM
Stop blaming the fan base! We're just like any other fan base and we don't influence Dan Snyder's decisions.

Hold on just a second and I'll test out your "The Fan Base Is To Blame" theory.

Dear Dan Snyder: I say you should fire Jay Gruden because of the loss to the Colts.

Wait, Dan Snyder just responded.

Dear KI: **** you! I'm not firing anybody because some dumb ass fan said I should.

See?


Nobody said or implied the fanbase was to blame in any of this. What was simply said is Dan Snyder is very much like our fanbase.

1) He's irrational and makes hasty decisions
2) He doesn't understand how to run an organization
3) Ideas suggested generally end up a disaster
4) Always chasing the "big name"

mredskins
12-03-2014, 09:08 AM
Shannon Sharpe offers the ultimate RGIII take - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/02/shannon-sharpe-offers-the-ultimate-rgiii-take/)

Very interesting.

So has RGIII been working as hard as we thought he has been?

NC_Skins
12-03-2014, 10:48 AM
Shannon Sharpe offers the ultimate RGIII take - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/02/shannon-sharpe-offers-the-ultimate-rgiii-take/)

Very interesting.

So has RGIII been working as hard as we thought he has been?



I agree with that 100%. Too many people up here brushed aside his commercials and endorsements in the beginning. Well, they are very much related to how dedicated he is to football. Then again, Robert thought "practice was much harder than games" back in 2012. Robert was too busy acting like a superstar instead of actually becoming one.

KI Skins Fan
12-03-2014, 10:49 AM
Nobody said or implied the fanbase was to blame in any of this. What was simply said is Dan Snyder is very much like our fanbase.

1) He's irrational and makes hasty decisions
2) He doesn't understand how to run an organization
3) Ideas suggested generally end up a disaster
4) Always chasing the "big name"

OK. I stand corrected on the blame issue.

However, you did say that our fan base is very much like Dan Snyder and because of that they "deserve" the inept owner of the Redskins. I disagree.

I don't think that Redskins fans are any different than the fans of any other NFL team. I think most NFL fans are more emotional than rational about their teams. Redskins fans don't deserve to lose because they are like Dan Snyder any more than Patriots fans deserve to win because they are not like Robert Kraft. On the other hand, Dan Snyder may deserve to lose because he runs his organization like a typical NFL fan would run it.

I'd like to think that Redskins fans deserve a better owner but the fact is we have Dan Snyder and there is nothing we can do about it.

VTSkins1961
12-03-2014, 11:11 AM
I'll agree with that Bucket and go so far to say instead of "or" it should be "and" but when a coach comes in and the players don't fit he should adapt until he gets the players via draft or free agency that fits his scheme

OOOOOrrrrrrrr

Good coaches draft players in to their systems that fit. After having a few years....

It works both ways.

KI Skins Fan
12-03-2014, 11:22 AM
It takes a gifted Head Coach to be able to adapt his system to the players he inherited and win with them versus rebuilding with players who better fit his system. There are only a small number of great Head Coaches who have been able to do that. Don Shula and Joe Gibbs are two of them. I know there are some others but, because I'm old and the memory is the second thing to go, I can't think of any more names right now.

KI Skins Fan
12-03-2014, 11:36 AM
Haz must go and we must go back to the 4-3. The 3-4 has failed us. Most of our players would be better in a 4-3. Question is where to you play Kerrigan DE or LB or you could play him at both depending on the situation.. Rak - resign little more than vet min with incentives as a DE and if he doesn't accept let him walk....

I like the idea of going to a 4-3.

Kerrigan was an outstanding 4-3 DE in college. Would he need to put on weight to play DE in the pros?

The rookie from Stanford looks like he has the frame to be a DE in the pros.

To me, paying near vet min for Orakpo doesn't seem to be realistic. Somebody is going to pay him more than that. The injury issues are still there with him but I think he could be a solid 4-3 DE.

We've got people who either have or could do a good job as a DT in a 4-3, IMO.

I'm not nearly as concerned about our DL personnel as most other posters seem to be but i could be wrong.

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