Coronavirus (non political)

Wow you are spinning this wildly. Stick to the facts

Jfc it’s pathetic at this point

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/56397508/fucking-percentages-how-do-they-work.jpg

chico - can you calmly or rationally explain how I am spinning this or ignoring facts? I 100% honestly want to know. Is my math wrong? Could very well be. Arent percentages only important when you apply that percent to a total number?

You want to champion a low percent mortality rate, okay that is an important part of the discussion .. but then end the discussion as "spinning" when a person takes the logical next step of appling that rate to the total infection number.

If I am spinning ... please spell it out for me in a logical way. I 100% want to know if perhaps I am bias blind here. I very well could be and genuinely want to know.

the ones 85 and older what underlying issues did they have and would they have passed anyway?

I don’t know g1 but that’s the official cdc stats

But the deaths are small enough under 55 year old where you should be able to parse the data to find out if each death had an underlying medical issue.

My guess is, I would say at a minimum a third had underlying issues or high risk. 1/3 would be extremely conservative estimate based on other data

Like to see the Flu deaths from 2019 in the same age ranges for the same months


Wonder what they would be?

Like to see the Flu deaths from 2019 in the same age ranges for the same months


Wonder what they would be?

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season. This burden was similar to estimated burden during the 2012–2013 influenza season1.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Am I allowed to *gasp* do math here or will that be considered spinning?

34,200/35,500,000 = ________________ ?

Cool got the raw data from CDC of influenzas from 2017-2018

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm#table1

So running estimates of COVID deaths versus flu death even with a vaccine...the point where deaths separate looks to be after 35 years of age. COVID takes off...but under 35 Years old total deaths down big time versus COVID.

https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.png


None of the above data answers the question, "What is my risk of dying from coronavirus if I get infected?" For that, we need to look at the infection fatality rate (IFR), which is the percentage of people who die given that they are infected. (This includes people with asymptomatic infections or those who are infected but never get tested.) One group believes the range is 0.1% to 0.41% (with a point estimate of 0.28%). Another group, which examined deaths in Geneva, Switzerland, concluded that the overall IFR is 0.38% to 0.98% (with a point estimate of 0.64%.)

Of course, IFR varies depending on age. Young people are far less likely to die than older people. The Swiss study estimated IFR's by age group.

Also from my cdc link above

https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/Screen%20Shot%202020-06-23%20at%206.18.52%20PM.png


None of the above data answers the question, "What is my risk of dying from coronavirus if I get infected?" For that, we need to look at the infection fatality rate (IFR), which is the percentage of people who die given that they are infected. (This includes people with asymptomatic infections or those who are infected but never get tested.) One group believes the range is 0.1% to 0.41% (with a point estimate of 0.28%). Another group, which examined deaths in Geneva, Switzerland, concluded that the overall IFR is 0.38% to 0.98% (with a point estimate of 0.64%.)

Of course, IFR varies depending on age. Young people are far less likely to die than older people. The Swiss study estimated IFR's by age group.

Also from my cdc link above
chico you're leaving out a very important fact(no surprise there) ,....................underlying conditions.The groups you are touting what were the "underlying"conditions these people had, I,E,....High blood pressure ,Diabetes, Heart disease....etc.

In the study, researchers surveilled pediatric health centers across the U.S. from March 15 to May 20. Of 186 MIS-C patients in 26 states, researchers found that 73 percent were previously healthy and 70 percent tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. The median age was 8.3 years, and patients were hospitalized for about a week.


The study found that most of the pediatric patients had no underlying health conditions. (iStock)
The study found that most of the pediatric patients had no underlying health conditions. (iStock)
Most patients had a fever lasting four or more days.

Also, for a small number of patients, 25 days had passed between the onset of COVID-19 symptoms and hospitalization for MIS-C.

“These findings suggest that a substantial proportion of the patients in this series were infected with SARS-CoV-2 at least 1 to 2 weeks before the onset of MIS-C,” authors wrote.


Study authors said 80 percent of patients underwent intensive care, and 20 percent received mechanical ventilation. Coronary-artery aneurysms were reported in 15 patients and four patients died.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/kids-coronavirus-inflammatory-condition
If anyone sees a good article of kid hospitalizations or a clean accurate description of how covid final death numbers are counted, Please post it. I can’t find 100% clear articles on it.

The world’s biggest coronavirus vaccine study begins, a U.S. trial that will include 30,000 people to see if the shots really work (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/27/the-worlds-biggest-coronavirus-vaccine-study-begins-a-us-trial-that-will-include-30000-people-to-see-if-the-shots-really-work.html)