Taylor Effing Heinicke

I think the evidentiary record was not on your side with that argument.

Given the injury to Fitz, we're lucky that they brought him back this year. He is playing just well enough to complement how well this defense is playing of late, but yeah I would trade him for Russell Wilson - easily.


Last year after the playoff game everyones knock was TH is fragile. I said over n over again that there was not a big enough sample size to consider him fragile. I think the evidentiary record was not on the side of anyone because again, there wasn’t enough of a sample size, or evidence at all.

We agree on him and Russ whole heartedly.

It wasn't just the playoff game that gave cause for concern over his ability to stay healthy. I'm glad it hasn't been an issue. At the time though it was a fair enough concern.

Well, the only samples we had were injury after injury everywhere he went, including last year's playoff game. I can see why people, including myself, concluded that he was injury prone. I'm glad he has managed to stay healthy this year.

Heinicke spent all offseason working on his body to be durable and it obviously paid off.. Heinicke has taken some hits yesterday and yet he continued to play and seems to not be injured other than being sore. So it seems like Heinicke didn't focus on strengthening his body in the beginning of his NFL career. This is a learning process and Heinicke has shown that he understood what he needs to do to be a legit QB in NFL.

It wasn't just the playoff game that gave cause for concern over his ability to stay healthy. I'm glad it hasn't been an issue. At the time though it was a fair enough concern.


No doubt. But he did stay relatively healthy in college. And there were what 2-3 unrelated injuries. I always maintained that coming in cold after bench warming was a reason for the injuries in the pros.

Anyway im wrong alot so just give me the W here and we will move on. [emoji6]

Dude I love TH. You can go back to last year when I spent weeks arguing that he isn’t as fragile as everyone thinks. I loooove TH. BUT if you think Russ is washed you’re crazy. He is coming off an injury. I would trade TH straight up for Russ in a nano second. Actually quicker than that.

Exactly. Wilson is injured and not close to 100%. But if you think Seattle would trade Wilson straight up for TH you're dreaming.

CPOE (completion percentage over expected) basically is a stat that looks at what the name says.

The worst are unsurprisingly Zach Wilson (-7.9), Trevor Lawrence (-6.5), Sam darnold (-5), followed by Winston, dalton, Tyrod Taylor, Siemian, Fields, then surprisingly Mahomes (-3.5)

Heinike is 8th BEST at +2.2. Now this stat isnt an end all be all as he has Bridgewater and Tua above him but I was surprised.

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I think Turner should get a lot of credit bc he puts Heinike in positions to succeed.

The short to intermediate plays where it is all designed to just get 1 guy open and have Heinike only have to look for that one guy.

If its a play where Heinike will have to read multiple routes and go through progressions, theres always an open dump out or release for him to hit.

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Heinike is such an enigma to me. Why havent defenses gone single high safety, shadow teh back and just play the box 20 yds from the LOS?

I keep waiting for this dink and dunk offense to be shut down.

Perhaps it has to a degree. We only put up 17 points last 2 games and thats with our offense executing the gameplan pretty welll.

We run a ton but those runs per avg arent impressive.

vs Raiders, we ran 30 times for 112 yds (3.7 avg). raiders avg 4.8 per run against our run stopping D.

vs Seattle ran it 43 times, 152 yd (3.5 avg), longest run was 17 yds

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I dont know my point, I dont really have a point but I guess Im confused by our success .. but then again can you say this is a successful offense? We won so its a yes .. but the offense is an enigma.

Have we just been fortunate lately on converting 3rd and shorts? Once we stop converting are we in trouble bc we have 2-3 drives that equal points but if one of those drives doesnt convert on 3rd and short, we punt.

I want to go back and look at our scoring drives and see how many relied on 2 or more 3rd and short conversions.

Am I a hater?

Honestly im just killing the last 20 mins of work and the clock just struck 5

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#completionPercentageAboveExpectation

https://www.the33rdteam.com/cpoe-explained/

I think the YPC is a little misleading when everyone looks for 4y+. The thing to consider with anything 3.4 or more is on average that's a 1st down for every 3 carries (I know it's not literally). That's how our clock management is working. We're not looking for big play after big play (probably, aside from drops, why Mahomes has suffered this year), we're just looking for 1st down after 1st down. It's not that we're not looking for the big play, we're just not forcing it because we often don't need to.

I don't like Greg Olsen the announcer, but this was a good interview spliced with Heinicke and Rivera.

https://youtu.be/ui22Y8pLhTI

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For his first year full time in the booth I think Olsen has been pretty good.