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EARTHQUAKE2689 01-25-2021, 11:54 PM We don't have to pretend like that cap space is a set-in-stone object. We have execs that can move money around, create cap space by restructuring or releasing players, so I'm not worried about the financial aspect of it. I'm just worried about the price to pay. If the price is too steep, Ron needs to bounce. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we're one piece away from contending, this team still needs serious help at multiple spots. Unfortunately we had the luck of playing in a division so terrible 7-9 won it, but any other year 7-9 would be considered "progress, but not title contention." Somehow we've fooled ourselves into thinking we're a couple pieces away from contending. There's no Tom Brady to fall into our lap this year.
I dont think we are one or two pieces of title contender, but are we one or two pieces away from division favorite? If one of those pieces is a QB I believe so, its that I get the feeling that for some of us we might as well have been 3-13 again
skinsfan69 01-26-2021, 02:14 AM It was for 5 quarters! TH is a journey man at best. He is not like some 3rd round pick we got and he is 21 just starting out.
Look at his "career":
December 8, 2020: Washington Football Team added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.
August 30, 2019: Carolina Panthers cut QB Taylor Heinicke.
December 26, 2018: Carolina Panthers placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.
April 16, 2018: Carolina Panthers acquired QB Taylor Heinicke off waivers from the Houston Texans.
April 13, 2018: Houston Texans waived QB Taylor Heinicke.
December 15, 2017: Houston Texans activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the practice squad.
November 29, 2017: Houston Texans added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.
October 9, 2017: New England Patriots cut QB Taylor Heinicke.
September 23, 2017: New England Patriots added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.
September 12, 2017: Minnesota Vikings cut QB Taylor Heinicke.
September 11, 2017: Minnesota Vikings waived QB Taylor Heinicke.
September 3, 2017: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.
November 8, 2016: Minnesota Vikings activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the non-football injury list.
July 29, 2016: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on the non-football injury list.
May 9, 2015: Minnesota Vikings signed QB Taylor Heinicke.
Just no, TY is not the answer, just stop.
If you read my entire posts I did say that we should also draft a qb and bring back Allen.
skinsfan69 01-26-2021, 02:17 AM if you were Stafford would you come here? Colts are already a playoff team w/ a very good o-line. They will play at least 9 games indoors.
Number44 01-26-2021, 02:50 AM if you were Stafford would you come here? Colts are already a playoff team w/ a very good o-line. They will play at least 9 games indoors.
1. Yes.
2. So are we.
3. And you think that's a good thing?
AnonEmouse 01-26-2021, 06:56 AM I think to work out the right approach you have to stand back and look at a few things. When building a SB contender, what has worked elsewhere? For me, there are 3 possible formulae for winning:
1) Find a franchise QB in the draft and build around him. Wherever in the draft doesn't really matter, to me it seems its more important to be able to recognise the talent (like Shanny recognised that RG3 might not hold up and that Cousins was an NFL calibre QB). Pats (TB), Packers (RA), Chiefs (PM), Seahawks (RW) etc. are winners that fit in this category (won multiple times in a span or at least multiple appearances)
2) Have a team in largely place that's missing a few key pieces. Often but not necessarily QB. I'd put the '16 Broncos in here (PM), '13 Ravens (Flacco wasn't franchise material, but the missing piece to get them there), possibly the '02 Buccs (added McCardell and Pittman to supplement a great D). Often 1 off wins because the team wasn't built as a unit so pieces fall away the following years.
3) Stars align. Team is already good overall, maybe great at some positions, but somehow it all comes together for the one year. I'd put the '09 Saints and the '17 Eagles in this category.
#1 is obviously the way to do it and build a team that will go to multiple SB's in a short span. Chiefs have managed to do it now, and the Pats did it before them. Hard to maintain without some serious cap juggling, but better to achieve sustainable results.
But if you're happy with winning an SB every so often, either of the other 2 will work (maybe with a bit of luck).
So for me, we're probably in the 2nd category. We could draft in a rookie QB and assuming we get the right one, build around him, but by the time he's ready our D will probably be fragmenting as the cap hits. Of course we could just keep drafting players that slot in, but you need a good personnel team to find the lower round picks and UDFA/cheap FA players that fit that scheme (like the Pats did up to last year).
As I don't think we are in that position (KS or no KS), I'd agree that bringing in a veteran QB to drive an O to marry up with our D makes most sense. Maybe we then draft our future Mahomes/Brady/Rodgers in 2-3 years time and move on to building a new team around him. But I'm not convinced RR is our Belichick or Reid capable of doing that. So for me you see there's a window now of 2-3 years to build a championship team and you bring in the pieces to get there.
That's why I go after Stafford now. And bring in the likes of Robinson, Samuel or Galloday, draft OL and TE to give him weapons, and patch the gaps on D by drafting CB and LB. If we lose our 1st and a 3rd to bring in Stafford we could do that with the remaining picks.
And if we lose out on Stafford, I'd stand pat and hope we can get our QB in the draft. I'm just not wholly convinced we have the talent to spot that guy in the lower rounds, especially if we part ways with KS.
Monkeydad 01-26-2021, 09:02 AM Kurt Warner was an out-of-work Arena football player working in a grocery store just before winning the Super Bowl.
It was for 5 quarters! TH is a journey man at best. He is not like some 3rd round pick we got and he is 21 just starting out.
Look at his "career":
December 8, 2020: Washington Football Team added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.
August 30, 2019: Carolina Panthers cut QB Taylor Heinicke.
December 26, 2018: Carolina Panthers placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.
April 16, 2018: Carolina Panthers acquired QB Taylor Heinicke off waivers from the Houston Texans.
April 13, 2018: Houston Texans waived QB Taylor Heinicke.
December 15, 2017: Houston Texans activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the practice squad.
November 29, 2017: Houston Texans added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.
October 9, 2017: New England Patriots cut QB Taylor Heinicke.
September 23, 2017: New England Patriots added QB Taylor Heinicke to the practice squad.
September 12, 2017: Minnesota Vikings cut QB Taylor Heinicke.
September 11, 2017: Minnesota Vikings waived QB Taylor Heinicke.
September 3, 2017: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on IR.
November 8, 2016: Minnesota Vikings activated QB Taylor Heinicke from the non-football injury list.
July 29, 2016: Minnesota Vikings placed QB Taylor Heinicke on the non-football injury list.
May 9, 2015: Minnesota Vikings signed QB Taylor Heinicke.
Just no, TY is not the answer, just stop.
JP Finlay; Washington should trade for Matt Stafford. That's it. That's the headline:
https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/washington-should-trade-matthew-stafford-thats-it-thats-headline
end of thread
mredskins 01-26-2021, 11:34 AM Kurt Warner was an out-of-work Arena football player working in a grocery store just before winning the Super Bowl.
Kurt Warner was a lottery ticket for the Rams.
Sure maybe TH is the next Kurt but my guess is he is just a scratch off ticket in the trash with no winning numbers.
mredskins 01-26-2021, 11:40 AM If you read my entire posts I did say that we should also draft a qb and bring back Allen.
Sorry man i don't have time to read your entire 14k plus post to figure out your full opinion.
skinsfaninok 01-26-2021, 12:00 PM Kurt Warner was a lottery ticket for the Rams.
Sure maybe TH is the next Kurt but my guess is he is just a scratch off ticket in the trash with no winning numbers.
The Rams and Cowboys struck gold with Warner and Romo.
Both are as RARE as it gets.
That shows you how starved this fanbase is of a great QB.. TH was labeled a QB1 after 5 QTRS of football lol. The guy has been all over the place before this yr.
If I'm Ron and Co. I offer the next 3 First Round picks to Houston today for Watson. If they say no, I move on to Stafford and offer 19, 76 and next years 2nd for him. Keim reported that it will take a few picks in his opinion.
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