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Chico23231 01-24-2021, 02:37 PM I was just saying this because folks were saying that if we got him it be like when we brought on A Smith.
Stafford has always been better then A Smith
I was agreeing with you! :food-smil
Warthog 01-24-2021, 03:35 PM I think it’s at least a first rounder. I think a 1 and a 3 is fair and gets it done.
The fact that Watson might be on the trade market helps from a supply/demand standpoint. But it’s possible two teams, like Indy and WFT, end up in a bidding war.
Watson is the #1 QB on some QB sites, depending on which stat you use. He’s #1 for yds this season - over 4800! The bidding will be insane for him. I’m starting to think we DON’T have the juice for that. Watson has the right of refusal and the WFT wasn’t on his top 2 list.
Trading up into the top 3 QB draft positions will also cost a lot. I could see the possibility for big trades to go for the best QB but the history is that the loser teams keep their spot to get the QB that they want.
Stafford lists around # 10 in the NFL. Part of that is just because he’s on “the Lions”. I have no doubt that Turner can get a lot more out of Stafford. I think the other big WFT FA hire will be for a big-name WR like: Galloway or Robinson. McLaurin, Galloway (possible FA pickup), Cam Sims, Harmon and a medium WR FA pickup. FA for the WFT: high-end WR and a medium WR pickup. I think Rivera will draft for the OL. Maybe more than just one pick. We need more talent and youth and depth in the OL.
Rivera will be working to fix and upgrade the offense and a couple defensive problem areas: FA for WR(s) & TE &. LB; draft for OL(s) & CB & S. That’s GREAT news for a QB coming to the WFT. High draft picks and youth and talent are planned for the OL, bring in top and middle talented FA WR, a TE to supplement Thomas. That’s what they’ll tell Stanford’s agent.
So why go for a QB who is in the top third of the passers in the NFL? Perhaps Rivera believes he can be IMPROVED with Turner’s offense. Definitely! Fix the WR, OL and TE. Stafford stats go up next season. Stafford gives us 5 seasons of top, clutch, QB play. We would INSTANTLY become a playoff team for the five years. Plus, if Stafford falters we have Heinicke as the backup!
I think Stafford will have a decent bidding competition but the trading required to get Watson will be INSANE! I also think it will take more than a 1st and a third to get Stafford. Too much competition, for him. I’m changing my prediction - I think Stafford may take a First in 2021 AND perhaps a Second in either 2021 or 2022.
I think the insane TRADE price for Watson will be TOO MUCH for the WFT. I don’t think the best draft picks will trade out - those teams want one of the best QB draft picks. That leaves us drafting the fifth or even sixth QB at 19.
So I think that Stafford makes the MOST SENSE for the WFT. I think the team will go for him. It just depends on what the other teams, who want Stafford, will bid for him. Probably right, 1st and THIRD, would be what he costs. NORMALLY. But I think the bidding will bring him up higher than that. Two 1st round picks to seal the deal. Maybe I’m overthinking this but still think the bidding will go higher!!
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Pervis_Griffith 01-24-2021, 03:46 PM I am so curious to see what the end price ends up being.
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Exactly.
The price is what makes this difficult.
You easily go get Stafford IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT.
You easily avoid Stafford, if the price is wrong.
I wouldn't be upset if the Colts found another QB somewhere. They seem to be in the best position with their cap to compete with us for him.
FrenchSkin 01-24-2021, 05:34 PM I'm torn.
As the VP of Global Operations of Heinickeee's Fan Club I've been advocating for a low key vet, to bring in for a legit starting QB competition.
But I've always thought Stafford is one of the most underrated players in the league, so if the price is right I wouldn't be opposed to it.
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mooby 01-24-2021, 06:27 PM Exactly.
The price is what makes this difficult.
You easily go get Stafford IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT.
You easily avoid Stafford, if the price is wrong.
I wouldn't be upset if the Colts found another QB somewhere. They seem to be in the best position with their cap to compete with us for him.
Sums it up. If we get into a bidding war - hard pass. This team is not a qb away from contending, it's a qb, wr, 2nd TE, LB, and maybe a safety (if they want to do better than Jeremy Reaves at FS) away from contention.
FrenchSkin 01-24-2021, 06:32 PM Sums it up. If we get into a bidding war - hard pass. This team is not a qb away from contending, it's a qb, wr, 2nd TE, LB, and maybe a safety (if they want to do better than Jeremy Reaves at FS) away from contention.
Yeah, but you can find all that in one offseason IMO.
OnceWeWereKings 01-24-2021, 07:22 PM These 2 teams are going to treat this like a Ufa would. Neither team is going to want to budge because it would set the mark for the other. The lions and Texans hold all the cards, I think. I'm excited to see how this all plays out, honestly. I want a qb for us, obviously...but the unbiased fan of sports side of me is incredibly interested to see how this all plays out across the league. Worst case scenario, we keep all our picks, (hopefully) have a good draft and improve other positions. See what Allen Allen Heineken have and maybe get a rookie playing behind someone who has been in the system.
Speaking of system....I'm not too familiar, so pardon the ignorance, but would Stafford fit our system?
I think he's the choice Ron will make. Watson is a long shot, and will likely require more than we should part with...as well as him wanting to leave a terrible front office situation....I'm sure he doesn't want to come here with our history of bullshit. Wouldnt make any sense.
And Matt ryan....just....no.
So Stafford seems like the de facto choice. I wouldn't mind having him if the price is right, and makes sense for both teams...no kings ransom, though. Please don't reach
skinsfaninok 01-24-2021, 07:31 PM You are crazy if you think QB isn’t top priority.
OnceWeWereKings 01-24-2021, 07:48 PM I believe it is....but I don't want to spend 2 1sts and a second on stafford
skinsfaninok 01-24-2021, 07:59 PM I believe it is....but I don't want to spend 2 1sts and a second on stafford
No that’s too much. I agree
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