Commanders 2025 Offseason Thread

This team had no edge guys last year, and it isn’t why we didn’t win a Superbowl. We didn’t win a Superbowl because we put the ball on the ground 3 times in crucial situations. I think you are underestimating how important the rest of the team is outside edge rusher. Do we need to upgrade at the position, yes. Is this roster better than last years, yes.Fowler Jr. was an edge last year. Him and his 10.5 sacks are gone. No clue what you are talking about with no edges last year.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44253088/source-pass-rusher-dante-fowler-jr-cowboys-reach-deal

He credited outside linebackers coach Ryan Kerrigan, the organization's all-time sack leader, with helping him develop more as an edge rusher.

I'm not underestimating the other positions. I'm just recognizing a weakness on an otherwise loaded team.

Fowler Jr. was an edge last year. Him and his 10.5 sacks are gone. No clue what you are talking about with no edges last year.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44253088/source-pass-rusher-dante-fowler-jr-cowboys-reach-deal

He credited outside linebackers coach Ryan Kerrigan, the organization's all-time sack leader, with helping him develop more as an edge rusher.

I'm not underestimating the other positions. I'm just recognizing a weakness on an otherwise loaded team.


Well aware of his 10-1/2 sacks and the fact he is gone. Well aware of the fact that Dante Fowler coming back isn’t putting us over the top. Once again, this team was one giant hole before AP got here. Now there is one. AP didn’t reach , he went bpa and im all for it.

Watch what our improved secondary does for whoever rushes the edge this year.

Well aware of his 10-1/2 sacks and the fact he is gone. Well aware of the fact that Dante Fowler coming back isn’t putting us over the top. Once again, this team was one giant hole before AP got here. Now there is one. AP didn’t reach , he went bpa and im all for it.

Watch what our improved secondary does for whoever rushes the edge this year.Why did you say we had no edges then last year?

Totally recognize that AP is doing a great job. Today's SB teams cannot have any weaknesses is the issue, and we have one. I'm frustrated because it hasn't been sufficiently addressed, and I am concerned our defense won't be good enough. I will be more optimistic about the ultimate goal if I see improvements and additions here but it is late in the offseason game. Wagner is 1 year older, Fowler Jr. is gone, Allen is gone, Chinn is gone, and many feel they reached on Kinlaw. Secondary can only hold on so long with modern day pro receivers.

Fowler was great depth, produced fantasticly last year. Pissed he went to the cowgirls. Team had/has other plans would say best of luck but that doesn't apply next season.

Cant wait til edge is fine, lane balls out and we have a solid season and everyone is happy lmao - wishful thinking HAIL

Fowler was great depth, produced fantasticly last year. Pissed he went to the cowgirls. Team had/has other plans would say best of luck but that doesn't apply next season.

Cant wait til edge is fine, lane balls out and we have a solid season and everyone is happy lmao - wishful thinking HAILAgree on Fowler. 10.5 sacks is nothing to scoff at and not easily replaceable. Surprised he wasn't retained honestly. Hoping Lane does great in the NFL. He is fast and brings some unique skills.

Good read on him below:

https://www.commanders.com/news/jaylin-lane-five-things-to-know-commanders-nfl-draft

Agree on Fowler. 10.5 sacks is nothing to scoff at and not easily replaceable. Surprised he wasn't retained honestly. Hoping Lane does great in the NFL. He is fast and brings some unique skills.

Good read on him below:

https://www.commanders.com/news/jaylin-lane-five-things-to-know-commanders-nfl-draft

it had to have been the money he was offered - remember his little public expression of dismay .... but yea i would have had him back but if the FO didnt think the price was right so be it

Agree on Fowler. 10.5 sacks is nothing to scoff at and not easily replaceable. Surprised he wasn't retained honestly. Hoping Lane does great in the NFL. He is fast and brings some unique skills.

Good read on him below:

https://www.commanders.com/news/jaylin-lane-five-things-to-know-commanders-nfl-draft

True that 10.5 sacks is nothing to sneeze at. Think Fowler is going to do that again? He has been in the league for 10 seasons. Two good years 2019 getting 11.5 sacks . . . and last year getting 10.5 sacks. His remaining years he had 4, 8, 2, 2, 3, 4.5, 6, and 4 respectively. He is nothing special as a pass rusher and was downright miserable defending the run. I think the combination Jacob Martin and Deatrich Wise is a BIG upgrade over Fowler.

True that 10.5 sacks is nothing to sneeze at. Think Fowler is going to do that again? He has been in the league for 10 seasons. Two good years 2019 getting 11.5 sacks . . . and last year getting 10.5 sacks. His remaining years he had 4, 8, 2, 2, 3, 4.5, 6, and 4 respectively. He is nothing special as a pass rusher and was downright miserable defending the run. I think the combination Jacob Martin and Deatrich Wise is a BIG upgrade over Fowler.

This ! Even in Kiem podcast he touched on the same perspective with Flowers

We were lucky we got that production out of him last year, lighting wasn't going strike twice

Deebo slacking off when getting paid? WTF are you talking about it? His injury history is overblown as I've already stated. He has played in at least 15 regular season games 3 of the last 4 years. The other one he still played in 11. It's not like he was hurt for the whole year.

Also, as I mentioned if he balls out (likely) we can give him a new deal. McLaurin-Deebo is a nasty 1-2 punch. Look at Philly with Brown and Smith. They don't have much after that at receiver. But clearly they didn't need it because the rest of their team and especially their defense is so good.

I'd actually take our depth pieces at receiver over Philly's last year (Gallup, Noah Brown, McCaffrey, Brooks) etc. Gallup and Brown are good for at least a few hundred yds a season at receiver virtually every year they play. Do you recognize how good of production this is for a 3 a 4 wr?

Our receivers were fine going into 2025 prior to the draft, and they nabbed Brooks who put up twice the amount of receiving yds that Lane did their final college seasons. I don't give a rat's ass if Lane is fast. Brooks was the better college player. You are underestimating how critical edge is to the NFL. Why do you think Philly had Mahomes on his ass the whole SB and dominated the dynasty? Sweat and all their big uglies is why. Something our team lacks and will prevent us from winning the SB this year.

It is no secret that the Niners became frustrated with Deebo, conditioning and being unmotivated were the main issues. Not sure how you are unaware of this. How else can we explain such a productive player being dealt for a late 5th? I know he requested a trade but they took a $31 million cap hit to get out of the Deebo Samuel business and this can not be ignored, nor can we ignore how apparently any team could have landed him for 4th but chose not to.

Using your stats in the last 4 seasons he has missed 2 games in 3 seasons and 7 games in a 4th. That's an injury history that will not improve with age.

Now in a contract year as I said I expect him to blow up. But being overweight, out of shape, with decreasing production and an injury history is now part of his legacy and that can't be overlooked as they consider paying top of the market price to a 30 year old.


Yes if you go down the depth chart Noah Brown is better than Philly's WR3. But let's not pretend Terry and whoever wins WR2 is as good as Devonte Adams and AJ Brown. Deebo is a gaget guy, a real weapon who will also carry the ball as a RB but he is not a WR 2. Top WR 2's do not end the season in a good offense with 51/670/3. So we can't compare him to Phillys WR2, he's in a special catagory. So that leave us with Terry and JAG GUY as the WR2. If Terry went down this WR group would have been below average, even with Deebo blowing up in his role.

True that 10.5 sacks is nothing to sneeze at. Think Fowler is going to do that again? He has been in the league for 10 seasons. Two good years 2019 getting 11.5 sacks . . . and last year getting 10.5 sacks. His remaining years he had 4, 8, 2, 2, 3, 4.5, 6, and 4 respectively. He is nothing special as a pass rusher and was downright miserable defending the run. I think the combination Jacob Martin and Deatrich Wise is a BIG upgrade over Fowler.

I was about to make the same comment. Fowler had a career year in sacks that probably won't repeat. He was also one of the main culprits in a putrid run defense. The problem last year was not pass rush, they were actually pretty high on the list of pressures with Fowler obviously factoring into that.

No the problem as well all know was their complete inability to stop the run, from the first game of the season to the last. If they brought him back as a third down specialist I'd be fine with that. But Dante Fowler as the full time RDE would have been the same problems and without the 10.5 sacks.