The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

It also makes sense to have Collins here to help teach a younger guy the offense. Having 2 old backups who should both be gone next year doesn't seems smart.

Collins does not have any mileage on him since he has never played. So I'm not sure why he would be gone after next year. Unless he just can't play at all. But the coaches see him up close so they must see something in the guy. I like the move Carolina made. And also Atl. signing Harrington. We need a younger guy with some playing experience.

If he became available, what do you all think about Charlie Frye as a young backup? He's taken a beating in Cleveland, but under the right tutelage he might be ok.

If he became available, what do you all think about Charlie Frye as a young backup? He's taken a beating in Cleveland, but under the right tutelage he might be ok.

No thanks. I don't think he has a strong enoough arm nor is he a very accurate passer.

No thanks. I don't think he has a strong enoough arm nor is he a very accurate passer.

Does Rattay have a stronger arm than Frye? I mean maybe he does

Does Rattay have a stronger arm than Frye? I mean maybe he does

To expand that a little bit further, what back-up QB would fit Saunders offense the best?
1) Strong arm strength but not good on reads/immobile? Kyle Boller, Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe(?)
2) Mid-range on arm strength and decent on his reads? Charlie Frye, Todd Bouman, Cleo Lemon(?)
3) Average-only arm strength but great decision making? Brunell, Collins, Trent Green (?)

I'm sure the players I listed aren't exact fits for the limited categories I provided but it's just something to get started with.

I agree with you on this one G, I believe we should cut Brunell as well, we have to move on and look to the future, why we hang onto a QB who we know can't get the job done in Brunell is beyond me. A backup is a guy who you hope has what it takes to become a starter and can possibly lead a team for a season if your starter goes down, we don't have that right now, it's time to cut the cord with these guys and press on!Well, having Rattay would eliminate the absolute necessity for having Brunell around, but even still, Brunell's contract makes him idiotic for us to dump him now. He's probably the best backup option in the league, assuming that Garcia wins the starter role in Tampa. Teams like Minnesota, Atlanta, and Oakland would be much better off with a guy like Brunell in there. So this notion that he can't play is coming from some pretty spoiled fans, IMO. Admittedly, he's going to continue to be in ever so slight decline each year for the rest of his career, so we even restructured his deal to automatically void after this year. Brunell's future has already been decided.

Sorry. Our passing game last year w/ Brunell was not very good. The guy struggles to throw for 200 yards. I remember a couple of games where he barely threw for 100 yards. Not all his fault though. But if Brunell was playing good he would not have gotten benched.

But I agree. Defense must play better!Uh, no? A guy who has a 1st round pick at QB behind him on the depth chart will get replaced whenever the team feels the young gun is ready. Brunell had basically been keeping the seat warm for two years.

Gibbs knew that he'd be costing us some wins when he went to Campbell, but in a lost season, the decision was an easy one. Giving up merely your best chance to win for a much better chance to win in future seasons is a no brainer. Gibbs didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he had a plan with his QBs all along and he stuck to it.

To expand that a little bit further, what back-up QB would fit Saunders offense the best?
1) Strong arm strength but not good on reads/immobile? Kyle Boller, Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe(?)
2) Mid-range on arm strength and decent on his reads? Charlie Frye, Todd Bouman, Cleo Lemon(?)
3) Average-only arm strength but great decision making? Brunell, Collins, Trent Green (?)

I'm sure the players I listed aren't exact fits for the limited categories I provided but it's just something to get started with.Saunders' system, like every other system, would benefit from having the best QB in there. Style is all relative to talent. Those who make the best reads/decisions are the best quarterbacks. Those who make poor reads/decisions aren't any good at all.

Of that list, Brunell and Trent Green are the only guys who should still be playing in this league. Maybe in a few years, Lemon can be a backup, but that's about it.

I think Ramsey would have led us to the Super Bowl, LaVar Arrington would have been the next LT had it not been for his injury, we gave up too much for Clinton Portis, we never should have let Pierce go, and we never should have acquired Trotter.

I just thought I'd make the above points in anticipation of talking about everything that is water under the bridge and beaten to a pulp.

But GTripp, can you explain to me why signing a guy of Tim Rattay's quality will be more expensive next year than he would be right now?

He's a mediocre-at-best QB that's been ditched by two teams now. Carr got $3 million a year. If Rattay is worth $2.5 million a year now (which we can't afford in 07 by the way), then why would a guy like him be worth anything more than $2.8 or so next year?I think we know enough about Rattay as a player to pinpoint his career path. He's right in the prime of his career right now, and should he get a chance to start down the stretch, is good enough to put together a solid career. He's one of the 32 best QBs in this league.

Any player who fits all that criteria next year will certainly be a hot commodity. It's a complete fluke that with all those teams that have crappy QBs, Tim Rattay is not a hot commodity.

This is a rare, sizable market deficency and we would be wise to exploit it while the oppertunity is still available.