The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

That sentiment may be plausible for the short term but he's not going to keep him on his roster for more than a couple of years out of straight up loyalty. People just do not maintain success by sacrificing talent acquisition and winning with something as basic as personal loyalty. Saunders has been in the NFL for a long time. Long enough to know when to draw the line when it comes to loyalty.I agree. But as the third quarterback, why not? Who else would fill that role, a role that essentially doesn't matter.

Well, I've suggested that Rattay deserves his roster spot and that we should pay him No. 2 QB money, a role he will step into in 2008. I don't think Al would particualrly enjoy such a suggestion, but I don't think he'd prevent it either if Gibbs came to him. He's too smart for that.

You have a good point there. Age saps his ability to heal from injuries and everyday beatings quickly. Brunell is best suited for a backup role at this point in his career.

Still if you graded him just by what he's capable of when healthy, he's one of the top 32 QBs in the league, which means someone is starting someone worse than Brunell. Of course, that's not our problem.

Don't pass off Brunells stats as garbage time without addressing the real story. It's honestly as if people think that the only team that ever plays in garbage time is us. All QBs play in garbage time. There's a certain expectation for a guy who's playing in garbage time, and if a guy exceeds it, thats a credit to him, not a knock on him.

Watch some of the highlight tapes. You may enjoy it since they don't make us relive the end of games like Minnesota and Tennessee.

Or relive at NY and at Phil when our offense looked like a crap.

Agreed. GTripp, the way you talk about Saunders keeping Collins around just because he likes him makes it seem like you think Saunders is completely inept at his job. By insinuating that Saunders is playing favorites with Collins, you're basically saying Saunders lacks sound football judgment.

It's a severe overstatement of your case.

What about Gibbs keeping Brunell around? It's the same damn thing.

What about Gibbs keeping Brunell around? It's the same damn thing.

I'm not quite sure where you're going with your post. But I just feel the need to say I'm definitely not arguing that we should get rid of Brunell yet. He's still serviceable as a backup, but I wouldn't want him starting.

Honestly, a lot of this discussion is neither here nor there. My basic feeling is whoever the coaches want to be the backup QBs, fine with me, as long as it makes salary cap sense. It'd be completely stupid to break the bank for a 3rd QB this year, that's the main reason I'm advocating keeping Collins.

I think we'd all agree that we're hitching our hopes to the wagon of Jason Campbell this year, as well we should. He has by far the most talent on our team (and way more talent than Tim Rattay), and he gives us the best chance to win games at this point.

Backup QBs can be left to the coaching staff and whoever they pick, hey whatever. As long as you're not getting us into cap trouble by signing backup QBs, knock yourself out.

Yes, but isn't refreshing to be able to bicker over who the 3rd string QB should be rather than who the starting QB should be? A good indication of positive things to look forward to this upcoming season.

"Grey skies are gonna clear up..."

I honestly can't see Rattay getting a better deal than Carr received ($2M per year), which is only slightly more than what Collins is getting. I could be wrong, but I think Rattay will probably get something very close to what Collins got ($1.5M per year), which is what $600K above vet. minimum?

best thread on here since the Briggs would be saga. Good job GT.

I think good points are made on both sides of this. I've been sayin on here for a while that we need to find somebody in the draft to groom as JC's backup. Roster space as well as cap space are both an issue.

Regardless of where you stand on this, we must all at least agree that if not this year, certainly next year we must get a young backup, draft or free agency. I actually thought Carr would've been a good signing for us if not for the logjam of old men we now have at qb.

I honestly can't see Rattay getting a better deal than Carr received ($2M per year), which is only slightly more than what Collins is getting. I could be wrong, but I think Rattay will probably get something very close to what Collins got ($1.5M per year), which is what $600K above vet. minimum?

Carr signed for 2 years, $6.2 million.

ESPN.com - NFL - Carr agrees with Panthers, will back up Delhomme (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2827930)

If Rattay got Carr money, we would cut Collins to save $1.2 million, but then eat up about $2.5 - $3.1 million in room, for a net hit to our cap of somewhere between $1.3 - $1.9 million. That would leave us with about $3.0 million in space, barely enough to sign rookies, and if we can manage to get the rookies squeezed in there, we'd have no wiggle room during the season. And you could forget about having the flexibility to trade for an Asante Samuel or Lance Briggs before the draft (maybe that's a good thing, I don't know).

Rattay may not get Carr money, but not too far below it. In any case, signing him would make our 2007 cap situation VERY tight. We could ditch Renaldo Wynn to help make room, but have you made your team any better by going from Collins to Rattay and dropping Wynn in the process?

You need to leave a little room for signing guys in season.

I say sign Patrick Ramsey.

He signed in Denver.

He signed in Denver.

Whoosh.

That was the sound of a joke going over your head.