The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

Uh, no? A guy who has a 1st round pick at QB behind him on the depth chart will get replaced whenever the team feels the young gun is ready. Brunell had basically been keeping the seat warm for two years.

Gibbs knew that he'd be costing us some wins when he went to Campbell, but in a lost season, the decision was an easy one. Giving up merely your best chance to win for a much better chance to win in future seasons is a no brainer. Gibbs didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he had a plan with his QBs all along and he stuck to it.

3-6 w/ Brunell. 2-5 w/ JC. Is the difference really that big?

Plus we need to consider how valuable having Collins around really is. He's been in this offense for what, 7-8 years now? He's basically like having a player/coach out there. That's a great resource for Campbell not only in practice but in games to bounce things off of.

Plus we need to consider how valuable having Collins around really is. He's been in this offense for what, 7-8 years now? He's basically like having a player/coach out there. That's a great resource for Campbell not only in practice but in games to bounce things off of.

I made this point earlier in the thread, but I got a response that said "coaches coach and players play, Saunders should be teaching the QBs."

Which of course is utterly ridiculous.

Saunders doesn't have time to turn Campbell into the stud we need him to be, coordinate the other 10 players on the field, study film of defenses, call the plays and be the chief game-planner, AND be there for a Tim Rattay every step of the way. And Bill Lazor should be focusing on Campbell's fundamentals, his reads, teaching him to break down film, and staying late after practice working on mechanics, not a Tim Rattay's.

Vet QBs on the sidelines are very helpful. Coaches don't have time for every little thing, especially for the backup QBs. And unlike coaches, vet QBs understand what it's like to have to make the reads under pressure and react quickly. Coaches can instruct you all they want, but they can't relate as well as a veteran player to what it actually feels like to be out there.

I definately agree that Collins has value insofar as he knows Saunders' system inside and out, but I'd also like to see a #3 who is a developmental project or who can step up into the #2 role when Brunell is done. Collins is neither and so I wouldn't be opposed to getting Rattay.

I definately agree that Collins has value insofar as he knows Saunders' system inside and out, but I'd also like to see a #3 who is a developmental project or who can step up into the #2 role when Brunell is done. Collins is neither and so I wouldn't be opposed to getting Rattay.

What if it meant you had to cut Renaldo Wynn to make it work cap-wise?

Because that's what it probably means.

What if it meant you had to cut Renaldo Wynn to make it work cap-wise?

Because that's what it probably means.

Then I'd be opposed to it. Honestly, Schneed, I think the only disagreement between the two of us is about Rattay's salary. I think Collins has value and I'd like to keep him. But, I'd also like to add a future #2 in anticipation of Brunell's retirement. I like Rattay and think he could be a good #2, but my support of signing Rattay is conditioned on us getting him at a reasonable cost.

Then I'd be opposed to it. Honestly, Schneed, I think the only disagreement between the two of us is about Rattay's salary. I think Collins has value and I'd like to keep him. But, I'd also like to add a future #2 in anticipation of Brunell's retirement. I like Rattay and think he could be a good #2, but my support of signing Rattay is conditioned on us getting him at a reasonable cost.

Yeah I agree you and I are closer on this issue. If Rattay comes at vet minimum, then I can see the logic in getting him here now. It still wouldn't be my preference, because I'd prefer Collins were still around 2 more years. But I could see the logic.

But I see no reason to believe Rattay would take vet minimum when Carr and Harrington are getting $3.0 million a year.

My main beef is with GTripp throughout this thread, who has essentially dismissed the value that a vet QB brings in the form of tutelage, failed to understand that coaches don't have unlimited time to tutor both Campbell and a guy like Rattay effectively, and pish-poshed the judgment of Al Saunders (Collins' coach for 5 years running or whatever it is) regarding Collins' effectiveness.

I made this point earlier in the thread, but I got a response that said "coaches coach and players play, Saunders should be teaching the QBs."

Which of course is utterly ridiculous.

Saunders doesn't have time to turn Campbell into the stud we need him to be, coordinate the other 10 players on the field, study film of defenses, call the plays and be the chief game-planner, AND be there for a Tim Rattay every step of the way. And Bill Lazor should be focusing on Campbell's fundamentals, his reads, teaching him to break down film, and staying late after practice working on mechanics, not a Tim Rattay's.

Vet QBs on the sidelines are very helpful. Coaches don't have time for every little thing, especially for the backup QBs. And unlike coaches, vet QBs understand what it's like to have to make the reads under pressure and react quickly. Coaches can instruct you all they want, but they can't relate as well as a veteran player to what it actually feels like to be out there.

I agree 110%.

Especially during games considering Saunders is up in the booth.

Having Collins around gives Campbell AND Saunders another pair of eyes.

is this what it has come to? almost 130 posts about 2 qbacks, that if you added together wouldn't equal 1 good quarterback. this has to be right up there with the most ridiculous threads of all time. Collins at least knows the offense. Rattay sucks, plain and simple. cannot play in this league. hopefully Collins will never set foot on the field as a Washington redskin

is this what it has come to? almost 130 posts about 2 qbacks, that if you added together wouldn't equal 1 good quarterback. this has to be right up there with the most ridiculous threads of all time. Collins at least knows the offense. Rattay sucks, plain and simple. cannot play in this league. hopefully Collins will never set foot on the field as a Washington redskin

Well put!