The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.

Definitely not fair to him. He was playing with a team that at the time had no clue how to execute the Saunders offense.

Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.

Damon Huard played really well...for half a season. That doesn't exactly make him a proven commodity.

We don't know for certain that Todd Collins sucks, but based on the few things we DO know about him, it's a reasonable assumption.

You know what you have in Brunell. High completion %, low INT, gets the ball out of his hand quickly, and consistency. Probably too old to consistently evade a rush.

We don't know if Collins is good for any of that. No reason to think he is.

Cut him and get Rattay.

GTripp, this makes no sense. You want to cut a guy who knows Saunders' offense for a guy who has no clue how to run it? Why?

You'd have to pay more for Rattay than Collins.

If you watched Todd Collins in last years preseason games you would know that Collins cannot play.

None of our QB's looked good in pre season. You can't get a good read on pre season games. No one is running game plans and stuff like that.

Almost anyone is better then Collins. I say go for it, Rattay would be a solid #2 and an uprgade even above Brunell.

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Why are people acting like it's that easy to just switch parts in and out on a football team? Did we learn nothing from this past debacle of a season? You bring in Tim Rattay, he's going to know nothing about our offense. And exactly how is he going to get enough reps to learn anything over the next season or so when we're concentrating on giving almost all the reps to Campbell?

Collins is not talented. But he is cheap, and he knows how to operate the offense. Rattay will cost more, and would take time to train.

I'd rather keep Collins for the emergency situation. Remember, he's the one that said it takes a year to learn this system. He may be old, but he's cheap, and he knows how to execute the Saunders offense.

Getting Rattay doesn't get us anywhere, IMO.Knowing is half the battle. It's also the easy part that anyone can do.

Having the talent experience to get the work done is the other half, and that's the hard part that only a select few american individuals have ever acheieved. I believed Rattay has proven that his mind and skills are proficient at the NFL level, whereas Collins has done nothing of the sort.

I understand that it takes a year worth of experience in Saunders system to be totally comfortable, but I think that's the case in any system. Brunell and Campbell both played relatively well with less than a year of experience and total comfort in the system. It's not like there's a rule that a guy can't play if he's in his first year in this system, it just means we'll be optimistic that he will get a tad better as he gets more comfortable.

GTripp, this makes no sense. You want to cut a guy who knows Saunders' offense for a guy who has no clue how to run it? Why?

You'd have to pay more for Rattay than Collins.

I agree that you need QBs who are familiar with and comfortable in Saunders' offense. However, I think that argument weighs in favor of signing Rattay.

Brunell and Collins are almost certainly done after this season. So it's a foregone conclusion that we are going to have to bring in someone new.....and soon. So, we might as well bring in a new #3 who will learn the offense this year and be ready to step up to #2 next season when Brunell is gone, as opposed to having a new #2 and #3 next season.

I'd rather keep Collins for the emergency situation. Remember, he's the one that said it takes a year to learn this system. He may be old, but he's cheap, and he knows how to execute the Saunders offense.

Getting Rattay doesn't get us anywhere, IMO.


i agree

There's no reason to keep Collins instead of Brunell. They are both old guys who won't be here after 2008. The difference is one can play and one can not.

Oh, and Brunell just restructed his deal making his cap hit even more relevant. It costs money to get rid of him this year.

Collins has never been given the chance. We already know that Brunell can't play anymore. All he does is throw little dump off passes. Never challenges the defenses downfield. A college QB can do what Brunell did last year. Sorry but dump off passes are not Al S. offense. Brunell can not run this offense. Period. Brunell should go to a west coast offense at this point of his career. Or just retire.

GTripp, this makes no sense. You want to cut a guy who knows Saunders' offense for a guy who has no clue how to run it? Why?

You'd have to pay more for Rattay than Collins.It's not hard to "know Saunders' offense." Memorize the playbook, and you know his offense.

Comfort level is another thing, and Collins probably has that. Doesn't make a lot of difference if he can't play.

I'm essentially rejecting the notion that Al Saunders' offensive philosophy is somehow mystical and tougher to understand than an average NFL offense. The human brain is capable of far more than memorizing 700 pages worth of plays. If that's part of your job, and you can't learn Saunders' offense in 3 months or less to the point where you can play proficiently, you're probably in the wrong business.

I don't think Collins is of much use to this team. He's obviously the best QB on the roster if Brunell and Campbell get hurt, and that's probably not going to happen, but Rattay is on the market now. We know we are going to be looking at the market for a backup next year. Why not make the move for a QB now while it's a GREAT value.