The legacy of 'W'?

Yeah I hear what you're saying. What about Mark Warner?

Hmmm, Warner is probably not red state pedigreed. It's really tough to come up worth VP candidates right now but I would think as we approach the primaries some of these names (http://www.democraticgovernors.org/governors) will surface.

Unfortunately, you're likely right. However, Bush was not very well liked going into 2004 and he won cause the dems threw up one HORRIBLE candidate in Kerry. If they do it again, I think the republicans will stay in power. (ps- I am a registered independant in case you missed it, I am only concerned for the well being of our country, and I am huge advocate for alternative fuels and animal rights.)
By the way...12 years? How so? It's been 7 under Bush, and the previous 8 years before that was Clinton.




That's because Obama is about as black as Brunell. What percentage african american is he anyway?
Sad thing is he won't get the proper recognition cause you know that KKK type people that live in the deep south could care less what he has to say.



That really is a loaded question, and trust me when I say I am exhausted with dealing with him. But I will say these two things, 1- he bankrupted the state within the first 4 months he was in office, and 2- he ceased funding to the senior citizens who depended on it to give more funding to single mothers having more babies. I'm getting annoyed just talking about him.

I believe Barack was born to a Black father and White mother. But the father left so he was raised by his mom and her parents

What's with all this Richardson and Arizona talk? What does he have to do with Arizona? Isn't he New Mexico?

I believe Barack was born to a Black father and White mother. But the father left so he was raised by his mom and her parents

What's with all this Richardson and Arizona talk? What does he have to do with Arizona? Isn't he New Mexico?

Yeah, he's NM, but I know a lot of people get these SW states mixed up. i knew what he meant.

Yeah, he's NM, but I know a lot of people get these SW states mixed up. i knew what he meant.

I thought maybe I missed something...and you know all I have is a Master's degree (nothing higher than that) so I ain't all that smart I suppose ;)

Here's a link to WaPo's reporting on Fla's statewide "recount".

Florida Recounts Would Have Favored Bush (washingtonpost.com) (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html)

Couple of things:

It shows Gore may have won had ALL of the disputed votes, 175,010 to be exact, in the entire state been counted. By 171 votes at most.

The "recount" was not actually a recount but a study sponsored and conducted by various news media.

My problems with they way Crazyhorse is using this are several fold.

It seems CH that you are asserting that this study shows that Gore actually won the state when in fact it shows nothing of the sort. It shows when only the disputed votes are recounted by hand that Gore wins. It says nothing about all the other non-disputed votes which surely have mistakes numbering in the hundreds at least. Statistically that is certian. Who knows, these votes could fall for Gore or maybe not but in the end the 171 margin produced by counting only a small portion of the votes, disputed or not, is competely insignificant. Heck the article points out that basically we'll never know. So don't use this supposed "recount" in your arguments without properly understanding it please.

As for the disenfranchised non-felons. The info I found while Googling showed the number to be 8,000. Not 80,000. Not insiginificant by any means but someone so in the know, educated, and stuck on facts I thought you should know that your number is wrong. Also my researching, short as it was, didn't really lead me to believe that some type of conspiracy was perpetrated. It seems likes a regular old screw up.

Now I did find some info that had actual felons been allowed to vote Gore would have won by 80,000 votes. Maybe CH is confusing his number with this one. Imagine that, convicted felons voting for Gore. Who'd have thought?

I'm glad you've entered the discussion. There are valid links for all the "facts" you relate. I chose links that support my position just as you chose links that supported yours. Early reports tended to support the notion that foul ups caused the problem, a notion I long ago rejected after reading other reports. Your 8,000 felons may be the correct number but no one knows for sure. At the time, we, the dems, believed the number of scrubbed voters to be around 178,000, a figure that included around 80,000 phony ex-cons, almost all of whom were blacks.
The only recount worth considering, in my view, is the hand-counted one which found for Gore, the law at the time stipulating that recounts should be hand counted, or so I believe and do defend. No, I didn't confuse 8,000 for 80,000, but even 8,000 proves fraud if deliberately scrubbed and would certainly have given the election to Gore.

I thought maybe I missed something...and you know all I have is a Master's degree (nothing higher than that) so I ain't all that smart I suppose ;)

Nice...I didn't even realize you had a masters like me. I swear that was my greatest accomplishment. I hated school...I still have no clue how I did it. Congrats to you man...I know how tough that is to get! I'm proud of you.

Shut up! I am still working on my degree. Smart Asses.

Shut up! I am still working on my degree. Smart Asses.

No shame in that man. Watch out though, there are some insane equines trotting around here who may not like having to talk down to your level :)

Nice...I didn't even realize you had a masters like me. I swear that was my greatest accomplishment. I hated school...I still have no clue how I did it. Congrats to you man...I know how tough that is to get! I'm proud of you.

Yup, MBA in Marketing Management. I get use my academic skills at work a lot, which is great.

Anyhow, back to this thread. W's legacy will probably be impacted also by who succeeds him. If nothing changes or improves in the next several years is W "absolved?"

No shame in that man. Watch out though, there are some insane equines trotting around here who may not like having to talk down to your level :)

I am sorry. I forgot that I was a neanderthal, incapable of coherent thought.